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Speaking of spineless, did you really need a throwaway just to say Java sucks?

Scramblejams 12y ago
As HN has grown it has attracted a more vocal contingent of Java developers. It's getting progressively harder to criticize the language without somebody shouting you down.
- ww520 12y ago
  It seems the anti-Java ones are the more vocal ones most of the time. You see the anti-Java posts all the times.
  - Scramblejams 12y ago
    Those of us who are recovering Java programmers might say there's a good reason for that. :-)
    - oldmanjay 12y ago
      That doesn't make you right, it just makes you noisy
      - Scramblejams 12y ago
        Didn't think I was being that noisy about it, but to each their own. Enjoy your design patterns! :-D
    - ww520 12y ago
      Are you insecure about your new found favorite language that you have to bash the old one that you didn't have much success with to justify your new choice? If you are really happy with your new favorite language, great. Do good work with it and move on. No need to keep smearing the old one.
      - Scramblejams 12y ago
        Heh, no. Your comment didn't seem rhetorical so I was just providing an explanation for the phenomenon you've observed. However, we do engage in much spirited discussion throughout the software world about the relative merits of various languages and their features. There's no getting away from it, and Java's gonna get beat on until the end of time. Hope you don't take it personally.
        ww520 12y ago
        None taken. If those frequent "spirited discussion" soothed your ego, by all means increase the weekly Java bashing. Meanwhile we just keep making software with it.
        Scramblejams 12y ago
        It's not about ego, it's about taste. Specifically the tastes of the majority of HN. Sure, lots of software gets written in Java. And (less so) Cobol and Fortran. Every sensitive Java (and PHP, etc) user who is on HN and feels compelled to respond to every slight has to understand, though: HN was founded by the guy who wrote Beating the Averages[0]. We're in PG's house. And he never liked Java. So if Java fans come here with a chip on their shoulder about it and constantly take the bait and get into flamewars about how solid and adequate their language is, they should remember what forum they're in. Not that opinions in the forum can't be changed, but why bother when there's plenty of Java love out there elsewhere? [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
        ww520 12y ago
        So it's basically herd mentality with reinforced in-group cliche. Just because PG started HN, we all have to toe the party line to bash Java? If you think PG cared about everyone here has to agree and follow his opinion, you paint him a very shallow man. And I think he's naive in that blog in using single language as a criteria to evaluate developers, but there's another story.
javaistheworst 12y ago
I have created a new account, but I don't recall mentioning it was a throwaway - sounds like someone has a bad case of the assumptions!
ww520 12y ago
It's a trolling account.
- javaistheworst 12y ago
  So anyone who posts anything critical about Java the language is now a troll? Must be fun in your world!
  - ww520 12y ago
    No, just your name is telling. Must be sad in your world.

As HN has grown it has attracted a more vocal contingent of Java developers. It's getting progressively harder to criticize the language without somebody shouting you down.

ww520 12y ago
It seems the anti-Java ones are the more vocal ones most of the time. You see the anti-Java posts all the times.
- Scramblejams 12y ago
  Those of us who are recovering Java programmers might say there's a good reason for that. :-)
  - oldmanjay 12y ago
    That doesn't make you right, it just makes you noisy
    - Scramblejams 12y ago
      Didn't think I was being that noisy about it, but to each their own. Enjoy your design patterns! :-D
  - ww520 12y ago
    Are you insecure about your new found favorite language that you have to bash the old one that you didn't have much success with to justify your new choice? If you are really happy with your new favorite language, great. Do good work with it and move on. No need to keep smearing the old one.
    - Scramblejams 12y ago
      Heh, no. Your comment didn't seem rhetorical so I was just providing an explanation for the phenomenon you've observed. However, we do engage in much spirited discussion throughout the software world about the relative merits of various languages and their features. There's no getting away from it, and Java's gonna get beat on until the end of time. Hope you don't take it personally.
      - ww520 12y ago
        None taken. If those frequent "spirited discussion" soothed your ego, by all means increase the weekly Java bashing. Meanwhile we just keep making software with it.
        Scramblejams 12y ago
        It's not about ego, it's about taste. Specifically the tastes of the majority of HN. Sure, lots of software gets written in Java. And (less so) Cobol and Fortran. Every sensitive Java (and PHP, etc) user who is on HN and feels compelled to respond to every slight has to understand, though: HN was founded by the guy who wrote Beating the Averages[0]. We're in PG's house. And he never liked Java. So if Java fans come here with a chip on their shoulder about it and constantly take the bait and get into flamewars about how solid and adequate their language is, they should remember what forum they're in. Not that opinions in the forum can't be changed, but why bother when there's plenty of Java love out there elsewhere? [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
        ww520 12y ago
        So it's basically herd mentality with reinforced in-group cliche. Just because PG started HN, we all have to toe the party line to bash Java? If you think PG cared about everyone here has to agree and follow his opinion, you paint him a very shallow man. And I think he's naive in that blog in using single language as a criteria to evaluate developers, but there's another story.

javaistheworst 12y ago

I have created a new account, but I don't recall mentioning it was a throwaway - sounds like someone has a bad case of the assumptions!

ww520 12y ago

It's a trolling account.

javaistheworst 12y ago
So anyone who posts anything critical about Java the language is now a troll? Must be fun in your world!
- ww520 12y ago
  No, just your name is telling. Must be sad in your world.