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Thanks for posting that! However, it's worth point out that that study has its detractors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_effect http://en.wikipedia.o

by badsock 12y ago

Thanks for posting that! However, it's worth point out that that study has its detractors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_effect I find the intermodulation argument a convincing one - it's hard to not have it affect the test, and if they haven't taken specific steps to avoid it then it would be easy to join a large amount of tests that have fallen prey to it. I note, however, that Wikipedia doesn't mention any specifically brain-scan-based studies that counter it. If you know of any more I'd be very interested in hearing about it.

retrogradeorbit 12y ago
What gets me about the intermodulation effect is that some people want to have it both ways. They are so stuck in the 'there is no difference' camp they fail to see the self contradiction in the argument. On one hand, higher frequencies above 20KHz can't be heard at all, so there's no point having them! You can't hear them! Then on the other hand, higher frequencies above 20kHz affect the audible region of the sound (intermodulation distortion), so you can hear them, so make sure they aren't there! What if the presence of the higher frequencies in a spectrum that shares a harmonic relation to the audible region causes intermodulation distortion that is pleasing and musical to the ear. What if the complete absence of this high frequency information, or alternatively a non-harmonic higher frequency signal (say some kind of switching or power supply noise) causes the audible region to be perceived in a less pleasant manner?
- vegedor 12y ago
  Don't deal with what if! The dominant notion is that of the inability to hear a sound of frequency higher than X. Your question leads to other interesting questions, like how is the frequency of a tone defined for a point in time (much like it's not intuitive to derive velocity). To be honest, I don't know either, but I'd bid two cents that ear and brain don't compare well to the devices we record music with.
- badsock 12y ago
  Intermodulation in this case is distortion that wasn't in the source material. It's a product of the failings of the playback system to perfectly recreate high frequencies without distorting the lower ones, and will vary depending on which system it is played on. Certainly some people find certain kinds of distortion pleasant, but the people arguing for 192kHz claim increased fidelity, not pleasing distortion - when it is just the opposite for any stereo that introduces these artefacts.

by badsock 12y ago

retrogradeorbit 12y ago

What gets me about the intermodulation effect is that some people want to have it both ways. They are so stuck in the 'there is no difference' camp they fail to see the self contradiction in the argument. On one hand, higher frequencies above 20KHz can't be heard at all, so there's no point having them! You can't hear them! Then on the other hand, higher frequencies above 20kHz affect the audible region of the sound (intermodulation distortion), so you can hear them, so make sure they aren't there! What if the presence of the higher frequencies in a spectrum that shares a harmonic relation to the audible region causes intermodulation distortion that is pleasing and musical to the ear. What if the complete absence of this high frequency information, or alternatively a non-harmonic higher frequency signal (say some kind of switching or power supply noise) causes the audible region to be perceived in a less pleasant manner?

vegedor 12y ago
Don't deal with what if! The dominant notion is that of the inability to hear a sound of frequency higher than X. Your question leads to other interesting questions, like how is the frequency of a tone defined for a point in time (much like it's not intuitive to derive velocity). To be honest, I don't know either, but I'd bid two cents that ear and brain don't compare well to the devices we record music with.
badsock 12y ago
Intermodulation in this case is distortion that wasn't in the source material. It's a product of the failings of the playback system to perfectly recreate high frequencies without distorting the lower ones, and will vary depending on which system it is played on. Certainly some people find certain kinds of distortion pleasant, but the people arguing for 192kHz claim increased fidelity, not pleasing distortion - when it is just the opposite for any stereo that introduces these artefacts.