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You're entire post is based on a strawman argument. OP didn't say that companies shouldn't hire non-American talent. He said companies should hire non-America

by ep103 12y ago

You're entire post is based on a strawman argument. OP didn't say that companies shouldn't hire non-American talent. He said companies should hire non-American talent through traditional immigration proceedings, and that the H1B program lends itself to an exploitative employer-laborer relationship, that ultimately serves to unfairly lower industry pay rates.

ntakasaki 12y ago
>He said companies should hire non-American talent through traditional immigration proceedings, What traditional immigration proceedings are you people talking about? Get a company employee to marry him/her and bring them here on a green card?
- LLWM 12y ago
  Maybe he means "move to Canada first"?
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mynameisvlad 12y ago
> traditional immigration proceedings So... An H1-B. Because that is essentially your only choice for temporary residency while waiting the many years it takes for an EB-3 (and months/years for 1/2) to go through. Unless the applicant is from Canada, where you can choose to go the TN route but have to be careful because EB is intent to immigrate, or an L-1 if they're an international transfer. The H1-B is a decent visa for the purpose its intended to serve, as a way to get immigrants here who would otherwise have to wait years to start working while a permanent residency application goes through. It has its shortcomings, but it's a whole lot better than other routes you could go through.
jbooth 12y ago
Traditional immigration proceedings? You mean the system where if you're from China or India, you have to wait 3-5X as long for a green card as people from western europe? Yeah, that system sounds great. Dunno why people in software engineering of all industries would have a problem with that system.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  So why not just fix that system. Its simple to do -- for instance, keep in-total quotas but eliminate per-country quotas and the misfeature you point to is eliminated instantly. Per country quotas are a mechanism which forces per-origin-country supply to be misaligned with per-origin-country demand.

by ep103 12y ago

ntakasaki 12y ago

>He said companies should hire non-American talent through traditional immigration proceedings, What traditional immigration proceedings are you people talking about? Get a company employee to marry him/her and bring them here on a green card?

LLWM 12y ago
Maybe he means "move to Canada first"?

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mynameisvlad 12y ago

> traditional immigration proceedings So... An H1-B. Because that is essentially your only choice for temporary residency while waiting the many years it takes for an EB-3 (and months/years for 1/2) to go through. Unless the applicant is from Canada, where you can choose to go the TN route but have to be careful because EB is intent to immigrate, or an L-1 if they're an international transfer. The H1-B is a decent visa for the purpose its intended to serve, as a way to get immigrants here who would otherwise have to wait years to start working while a permanent residency application goes through. It has its shortcomings, but it's a whole lot better than other routes you could go through.

jbooth 12y ago

Traditional immigration proceedings? You mean the system where if you're from China or India, you have to wait 3-5X as long for a green card as people from western europe? Yeah, that system sounds great. Dunno why people in software engineering of all industries would have a problem with that system.

dragonwriter 12y ago
So why not just fix that system. Its simple to do -- for instance, keep in-total quotas but eliminate per-country quotas and the misfeature you point to is eliminated instantly. Per country quotas are a mechanism which forces per-origin-country supply to be misaligned with per-origin-country demand.