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A blanket statement like that simply isn't true. I can look in several tech offices and draw conclusions. Are there exceptions, sure. Therefore, H1B should be r

by dude3 12y ago

A blanket statement like that simply isn't true. I can look in several tech offices and draw conclusions. Are there exceptions, sure. Therefore, H1B should be reserved for the talent you speak of. Why are we bringing QA engineers on H1B? We can train a large portion of these jobs here through programs like Hack Reactor. But we aren't, we are looking for simple fixes.

dude3 12y ago
Last month I was ridding in an Uber and the driver told me he was a Math Teacher. He said that all his students wanted to do was code all day long. He asked me if I wanted to come into class and just tell the kids about my job etc., they would "love that". I was thinking to myself. Here is a math teacher in the middle of Silicon Valley asking me (no one special by any means) to come in and talk to the kids. Why don't other companies and CEO's currently do the same? Given the dire problem that they claim there is, they should be out there getting kids interested in these jobs. Some of these kids could be working in 2 years (probably before any legislation would actually go through). Bring them to the Facebook or Google offices and get them interested and motivated. Finally, ensure that they can actually have at least a median paying job in the field. I think we should look at coding like vocational schools. You see all those programs about getting a degree to repair cars. What about getting degrees to do QA and code? It works in Germany very well, especially for kids who don't go to college. According to the math teacher, the demand and interest is there. So why don't we do something for the future generations rather than look for a short term fix?
- VLM 12y ago
  There's too many artificial barriers in the market to hiring those kids. They're not ALL going to graduate from Stanford, for example.
  - morenoh149 12y ago
    You don't have to be a compilers expert. Yes the supply of experts in ML/CV/compilers may be small worldwide. But I believe the current situation is a symptom as well of negligence on the part of these large tech companies. It's much cheaper to train locally and hire. Microsoft, apple, google et al should join forces to establish a vocational school in the bay area. Make it a 2 year program. I bet you'd get great engineers if Hack reactor, general assembly et al are any indicator.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Given the dire problem that they claim there is, they should be out there getting kids interested in these jobs. They are. Not directly, in person, perhaps, but that's why they many tech companies (and the capital funds that back them) are back efforts like Code for America. Increasing the supply of tech labor to drive down costs and increase profits isn't just something driving their position on H-1B levels.

by dude3 12y ago

dude3 12y ago

Last month I was ridding in an Uber and the driver told me he was a Math Teacher. He said that all his students wanted to do was code all day long. He asked me if I wanted to come into class and just tell the kids about my job etc., they would "love that". I was thinking to myself. Here is a math teacher in the middle of Silicon Valley asking me (no one special by any means) to come in and talk to the kids. Why don't other companies and CEO's currently do the same? Given the dire problem that they claim there is, they should be out there getting kids interested in these jobs. Some of these kids could be working in 2 years (probably before any legislation would actually go through). Bring them to the Facebook or Google offices and get them interested and motivated. Finally, ensure that they can actually have at least a median paying job in the field. I think we should look at coding like vocational schools. You see all those programs about getting a degree to repair cars. What about getting degrees to do QA and code? It works in Germany very well, especially for kids who don't go to college. According to the math teacher, the demand and interest is there. So why don't we do something for the future generations rather than look for a short term fix?

VLM 12y ago
There's too many artificial barriers in the market to hiring those kids. They're not ALL going to graduate from Stanford, for example.
- morenoh149 12y ago
  You don't have to be a compilers expert. Yes the supply of experts in ML/CV/compilers may be small worldwide. But I believe the current situation is a symptom as well of negligence on the part of these large tech companies. It's much cheaper to train locally and hire. Microsoft, apple, google et al should join forces to establish a vocational school in the bay area. Make it a 2 year program. I bet you'd get great engineers if Hack reactor, general assembly et al are any indicator.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> Given the dire problem that they claim there is, they should be out there getting kids interested in these jobs. They are. Not directly, in person, perhaps, but that's why they many tech companies (and the capital funds that back them) are back efforts like Code for America. Increasing the supply of tech labor to drive down costs and increase profits isn't just something driving their position on H-1B levels.