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Competition is good, so I say hooray for this. That said, doesn't seem to offer a compelling alternative to Github, based on what they're currently saying. The

Competition is good, so I say hooray for this. That said, doesn't seem to offer a compelling alternative to Github, based on what they're currently saying. There could be value in tight integration with other Amazon tools, but that seems like it'll come more from intentional lock-in than added value.

ruairinewman 12y ago
I don't know. I used to work for AWS, and this sounds very link an internal tool that is used to manage the entire Amazon retail infrastructure. That being the case, this is going to be a lot more powerful and useful for online infrastructure (in AWS, obviously) than anything else out there. Even if it's not all that initially, I suspect the extra functionality will come sooner rather than later. It's somewhat annoying I know, but I'm not going to go into more detail as I'm not sure about the legality of my position should I do so. Edit: On review of their website, I had missed the announcements for Amazon CodePipeline and Amazon CodeDeploy, which between them provide all the missing functionality I hinted at above. And so yes, it looks like this is the internal tool I was referring to.
- idunno246 12y ago
  In the announcement they said they are basically releasing Apollo.
  - yazaddaruvala 12y ago
    Apollo(http://aws.amazon.com/codedeploy http://aws.amazon.com/codedeploy) is nice, but Pipelines are easily my favorite internal tool, glad they are releasing it. http://aws.amazon.com/codepipeline/ http://aws.amazon.com/codepipeline/
  - ignoramous 12y ago
    CodeDeploy is essentially Apollo (lite, so to speak). CodePipelines is Amazon Pipelines. CodeCommit is persumably Amazon GitFarm (according to our former AWS engineer here). We've got an amazing Builder Tools team here at Amazon, I must say.
frutiger 12y ago
> That said, doesn't seem to offer a compelling alternative to Github I have limited (but at lease some) experience in working with GitHub Enterprise, and for the longest time, their answer to backup was to turn the entire system offline while you performed the backup. I believe they have since improved in this area, but it was clear that while GitHub itself offers an extremely available service, GHE is severely lacking in this respect. CodeCommit on the other hand promotes high availability from the start.
- fooforge 12y ago
  > I believe they have since improved in this area, but it was clear that while GitHub itself offers an extremely available service, GHE is severely lacking in this respect. That is correct. On earlier versions of GitHub Enterprise backing up data was quite a hassle. For a consistent (repository) backup taken on the VM level you didn't have to shut it down, but you've had to switch the appliance into maintenance mode, effectively preventing people from getting things done. This isn't the case anymore though as we've shipped new backup utilities [1] and support for HA setups with the 2.0.0 major release [2] some time ago. [1] https://github.com/github/backup-utils https://github.com/github/backup-utils [2] https://enterprise.github.com/releases/2.0.0 https://enterprise.github.com/releases/2.0.0
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Weird. Why not just leverage, LVM snapshots?
timsco 12y ago
Github is also very vulnerable on price if you have the need for a lot of small, private repos. If Amazon charges on storage (like they do with S3) instead of the number of repos, it will make this a compelling alternative for a lot of businesses.
- 0x0 12y ago
  Bitbucket is excellent for that use case. In fact, github often isn't even an option since even the largest plan is limited to 125 private repos. Bitbucket, meanwhile, has no limits on the number of repos (it's a fee per user instead)
  - aragot 12y ago
    GitHub is priced by repo, BitBucket is priced by user, and both non-negligible. I'm looking forward to knowing Amazon's pricing and web UI.
    - chrisan 12y ago
      Surely they will follow suit as their other apps and price by actual usage with no 'unlimited' this or that. Something like http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ combo of storage + requests
  - sandGorgon 12y ago
    Bitbucket is superb overall - the issue tracker, wiki and pricing are so much better than Github. The only thing that Bitbucket devs wont add is gist :(
  - icey 12y ago
    > even the largest plan is limited to 125 private repos Leaving the conversation about small plans aside, we can set up a plan for you that has as many private repositories as you need. Just email sales@github.com and we can get it set up for you.
  - krisdol 12y ago
rodgerd 12y ago
> Competition is good, so I say hooray for this. I'm not sure how the overwhelmingly dominant player in retail and hosting moving to become the overwhelmingly dominant player in source hosting can count as "competition", except in a Gatesian sense.

ruairinewman 12y ago

I don't know. I used to work for AWS, and this sounds very link an internal tool that is used to manage the entire Amazon retail infrastructure. That being the case, this is going to be a lot more powerful and useful for online infrastructure (in AWS, obviously) than anything else out there. Even if it's not all that initially, I suspect the extra functionality will come sooner rather than later. It's somewhat annoying I know, but I'm not going to go into more detail as I'm not sure about the legality of my position should I do so. Edit: On review of their website, I had missed the announcements for Amazon CodePipeline and Amazon CodeDeploy, which between them provide all the missing functionality I hinted at above. And so yes, it looks like this is the internal tool I was referring to.

idunno246 12y ago
In the announcement they said they are basically releasing Apollo.
- yazaddaruvala 12y ago
  Apollo(http://aws.amazon.com/codedeploy http://aws.amazon.com/codedeploy) is nice, but Pipelines are easily my favorite internal tool, glad they are releasing it. http://aws.amazon.com/codepipeline/ http://aws.amazon.com/codepipeline/
- ignoramous 12y ago
  CodeDeploy is essentially Apollo (lite, so to speak). CodePipelines is Amazon Pipelines. CodeCommit is persumably Amazon GitFarm (according to our former AWS engineer here). We've got an amazing Builder Tools team here at Amazon, I must say.

frutiger 12y ago

> That said, doesn't seem to offer a compelling alternative to Github I have limited (but at lease some) experience in working with GitHub Enterprise, and for the longest time, their answer to backup was to turn the entire system offline while you performed the backup. I believe they have since improved in this area, but it was clear that while GitHub itself offers an extremely available service, GHE is severely lacking in this respect. CodeCommit on the other hand promotes high availability from the start.

fooforge 12y ago
> I believe they have since improved in this area, but it was clear that while GitHub itself offers an extremely available service, GHE is severely lacking in this respect. That is correct. On earlier versions of GitHub Enterprise backing up data was quite a hassle. For a consistent (repository) backup taken on the VM level you didn't have to shut it down, but you've had to switch the appliance into maintenance mode, effectively preventing people from getting things done. This isn't the case anymore though as we've shipped new backup utilities [1] and support for HA setups with the 2.0.0 major release [2] some time ago. [1] https://github.com/github/backup-utils https://github.com/github/backup-utils [2] https://enterprise.github.com/releases/2.0.0 https://enterprise.github.com/releases/2.0.0
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  Weird. Why not just leverage, LVM snapshots?

timsco 12y ago

Github is also very vulnerable on price if you have the need for a lot of small, private repos. If Amazon charges on storage (like they do with S3) instead of the number of repos, it will make this a compelling alternative for a lot of businesses.

0x0 12y ago
Bitbucket is excellent for that use case. In fact, github often isn't even an option since even the largest plan is limited to 125 private repos. Bitbucket, meanwhile, has no limits on the number of repos (it's a fee per user instead)
- aragot 12y ago
  GitHub is priced by repo, BitBucket is priced by user, and both non-negligible. I'm looking forward to knowing Amazon's pricing and web UI.
  - chrisan 12y ago
    Surely they will follow suit as their other apps and price by actual usage with no 'unlimited' this or that. Something like http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ combo of storage + requests
- sandGorgon 12y ago
  Bitbucket is superb overall - the issue tracker, wiki and pricing are so much better than Github. The only thing that Bitbucket devs wont add is gist :(
- icey 12y ago
  > even the largest plan is limited to 125 private repos Leaving the conversation about small plans aside, we can set up a plan for you that has as many private repositories as you need. Just email sales@github.com and we can get it set up for you.
- krisdol 12y ago

rodgerd 12y ago

> Competition is good, so I say hooray for this. I'm not sure how the overwhelmingly dominant player in retail and hosting moving to become the overwhelmingly dominant player in source hosting can count as "competition", except in a Gatesian sense.