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Serious question, what are they burning $300 mil on? AND, if they are getting $300 mil from Google every year, why on earth is it asking me for donations on my

by dpcan 12y ago

Serious question, what are they burning $300 mil on? AND, if they are getting $300 mil from Google every year, why on earth is it asking me for donations on my Firefox start tab? To help answer my own question, Googled it. Got this: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2012/faq/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2012/f...

Danieru 12y ago
Developers. Plain and simple Mozilla pays market wages and has lots of developers.
- dpcan 12y ago
  They'd have to be paying 2000 developers $150,000 per year to hit $300 million. Are there really that many developers working on this?
  - quonn 12y ago
    According to the NYT they have more than 1000 employees. Usually costs are approximately 2*salary, so assuming $100,000 per developer, we get $200 million, which is what they claim as software development costs. So at least the order of magnitude seems right. I guess the salary and costs are actually less, but there are even more employees.
frik 12y ago
In general, I find the Mozilla corp/foundation great. But I dislike what their UI designer did with Firefox and that Aurora theme. Mozilla needs more developers (Rust, Thunderbird would need you), less people that change product designs for the sake of change (Mozilla is not Microsoft).
- bad_user 12y ago
  Aurora on OS X looks much better for me than the old theme. The only thing that bothers me is that they could have been more space efficient, but otherwise I like it. They also just made slight adjustments to Firefox on Android and I hope they keep them coming because on Android Lollipop Firefox's UI is starting to look out of place.
lucaspiller 12y ago
Here is the financial report for 2013: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Financials_2013.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Fi... The biggest expenses are $197m on 'software development' and $46m on 'branding and marketing'.
- _lce0 12y ago
  great finding .. here's an interesting paragraph[1] Mozilla entered into a contract with a search engine provider for royalties which expires November 2014. Approximately 90% of royalty revenue for 2013 and 2012, was derived from this contract. The receivable from this search engine provider represented 66% and 69% of the December 31, 2013 and 2012 outstanding receivables, respectively. [1] p21: Note 8 - Concentrations of Risk
- martinald 12y ago
  Interesting to see revenue went from approx $150M in 2011, to $310M in 2012 and then stuck steady at that same rough figure in 2013. Is that a result of Firefox stopping growing or Google not paying as well, or something else?
  - hkmurakami 12y ago
    multiyear contracts at that fixed amount.

by dpcan 12y ago

Danieru 12y ago

Developers. Plain and simple Mozilla pays market wages and has lots of developers.

dpcan 12y ago
They'd have to be paying 2000 developers $150,000 per year to hit $300 million. Are there really that many developers working on this?
- quonn 12y ago
  According to the NYT they have more than 1000 employees. Usually costs are approximately 2*salary, so assuming $100,000 per developer, we get $200 million, which is what they claim as software development costs. So at least the order of magnitude seems right. I guess the salary and costs are actually less, but there are even more employees.

frik 12y ago

In general, I find the Mozilla corp/foundation great. But I dislike what their UI designer did with Firefox and that Aurora theme. Mozilla needs more developers (Rust, Thunderbird would need you), less people that change product designs for the sake of change (Mozilla is not Microsoft).

bad_user 12y ago
Aurora on OS X looks much better for me than the old theme. The only thing that bothers me is that they could have been more space efficient, but otherwise I like it. They also just made slight adjustments to Firefox on Android and I hope they keep them coming because on Android Lollipop Firefox's UI is starting to look out of place.

lucaspiller 12y ago

Here is the financial report for 2013: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Financials_2013.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Fi... The biggest expenses are $197m on 'software development' and $46m on 'branding and marketing'.

_lce0 12y ago
great finding .. here's an interesting paragraph[1] Mozilla entered into a contract with a search engine provider for royalties which expires November 2014. Approximately 90% of royalty revenue for 2013 and 2012, was derived from this contract. The receivable from this search engine provider represented 66% and 69% of the December 31, 2013 and 2012 outstanding receivables, respectively. [1] p21: Note 8 - Concentrations of Risk
martinald 12y ago
Interesting to see revenue went from approx $150M in 2011, to $310M in 2012 and then stuck steady at that same rough figure in 2013. Is that a result of Firefox stopping growing or Google not paying as well, or something else?
- hkmurakami 12y ago
  multiyear contracts at that fixed amount.