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Firefox 34 Launches with Yahoo as Its Default Search Engine
- mmastrac 12y agoThe search change doesn't bother me at all -- Google search is just three (?) clicks away and it took zero effort to reset it for me. What I was really looking forward to in this release was: - JS template strings: `Hello ${'world'}` - Direct jQuery event in the inspector
- antihero 12y agoFor the former, there's this tiny little library that I use for everything: https://github.com/davidchambers/string-format https://github.com/davidchambers/string-format
- monk_e_boy 12y agoJS Template strings (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/template_strings https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...): Template strings are enclosed by the back-tick, `string text ${expression} string text` var a = 5; var b = 10; console.log(`Fifteen is ${a + b} and not ${2 * a + b}.`); // "Fifteen is 15 and not 20." You can also 'tag' a template string: tag`Hello ${ a + b } world ${ a * b}`; where the 'tag' is a preprocessor function.
- unicornporn 12y agoFor you, yes. I work in an organisation with over 100000 non savvy users and I've not seen a single person that has successfully switched default search engine from Bing to Google in IE. They just complain about search "being bad".
- _lce0 12y agowhy dont DuckDuckGo? IMHO it would be a better fit
- themartorana 12y agoMoney. Google splits advertising revenue with browsers that send users to Google (to some degree). Mozilla made a good deal of money from their relationship with Google, but for several reasons (that include Chrome and no payment for truly anonymous searches) Mozilla decided to jump ship - but they still need that sweet search $. Yahoo! is likely paying well. I can't imagine DDG could come close to competing with the money Yahoo! or Google could pay.
- geoka9 12y ago> no payment for truly anonymous searches What's a "truly anonymous search"?
- skriticos2 12y agoYou travel to a country on a different continent, buy a new tablet and do no modifications to it. Connect to a local Internet coffee-shop network and do a search. Then you repeat this process in a few other countries (preferably with different native languages) and then aggregate the search results into a common list?
- spikels 12y agoI like DDG too but I bet thay can't afford to pay Mozilla enough to survive. Google was paying them close to $300 million. Hopefully Yahoo can afford something similar or Mozilla will need to cut back on spending. Long-term given the switch to mobile where FireFox is almost nonexistent (and to a lesser degree their decline in desktop market share) they may need to cut back if they can't find new sources of funds.
- dpcan 12y agoSerious question, what are they burning $300 mil on? AND, if they are getting $300 mil from Google every year, why on earth is it asking me for donations on my Firefox start tab? To help answer my own question, Googled it. Got this: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2012/faq/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2012/f...
- 51Cards 12y agoSo effectively it's Bing results?
- chadzawistowski 12y agoOnly for five more years.
- frik 12y agoYahoo web search is now powered by Bing, so yes.
- skriticos2 12y agoHow does that work anyway? Like this: [I search Yahoo] -> [Yahoo queries Bing] -> [Bing returns result] -> [Yahoo returns result]. If so, isn't that horrible for latency? These are two different companies with different data centers! I'm very used to the quasi instant results Google provides even before I completed typing, so I have no idea how the other side looks like. Anyone knows details?
- what_ever 12y agoDoesn't Yahoo just use Bing index but has own search engine running on top of it?
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- Larrikin 12y agoThe new search bar is in no way improved. I have to always keep in mind what my default search engine is now since they removed the icon, and I can no longer do multiple searches on a different search engine without having do a lot of extra clicking. Any way to fix it?
- PetitPrince 12y agoUse Yubnub or Duckduckgo as your search provider, and take advantage of the command line nature of Yubnub or the bang operators in DuckDuckGo.
- __Joker 12y agoBang operator and "feeling lucky" search is one of the reason I started using DDG and I am happy with it. Google has removed the "feeling lucky" due to advertising reasons may be. Need to try out Yubnub.
- conradfr 12y agoI don't why but I never got the habit to use the search bar going all the way back to Phoenix. I guess I prefer clicking on a link and using a real website. On the other hand I LOVED the "Search [search engine] for [selected text]" in the context menu, which use the search engine selected in the search bar.
- patresi 12y agoAnd the old keyboard shortcuts to change search providers don't even work (ctrl+up & ctrl+down). Worst FF update in quite a while... I imagine they only hid the icon so people don't know they're searching with Yahoo instead of Google...
- shmerl 12y agoFor some reason I don't see "Hello" client in the Linux version. And I don't like the new search bar - it's too cluttered and not really useful for those who rely on DDG search bangs which offer way more direct search options and don't require mouse clicks. You can revert the search bar to classic style by setting this key in about:config browser.search.showOneOffButtons = false What could be good however if Firefox somehow could integrate DDG search bangs in the browser search bar itself. That would be awesome since it would save an extra trip to DDG. But that would require Mozilla to synchronize bangs list with DDG periodically.
- ploxiln 12y agoIsn't it funny, these "search bangs" were first available in browsers, way back around the time of firefox 1. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-search-from-address-bar?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Smart+keywords https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-search-from-address... edit: better link http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_keyword_searches http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_keyword_searches
- shmerl 12y agoVery interesting, I didn't know about this. But it's more manual (while DDG offers a huge list of predefined bangs already).
- zidar 12y agoThese were nice, but you had to configure each one yourself. I had one for google and youtube, but that was it. With DDG, the bangs come quite nicely preconfigured.
- TazeTSchnitzel 12y agoAnd because of that, they work on any device. Even my iPhone!
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- broodbucket 12y agoTry not to read the comments on this article, they're around YouTube quality.
- vinothtimes 12y agothis is bad move by mozilla ,
- Iuz 12y agoThe best thing there is this one comment: "NOOOOOOOO.not that HORRID, irrelevant Yahoo? I may go back to , gulp, Google." what.
- mrmondo 12y agoPoor move by Mozilla IMO - clearly a profit driven decision and not one in be best interest of their users.
- ck2 12y agoI don't get the yahoo search business model - aren't they just showing Bing results? Didn't they retire all their indexing bots years ago? For awhile they were the only contender to google with most of their search options and apis
- wodenokoto 12y agoI wouldn't mind this if it would direct me to the new Yahoo search. No, I am not in the US.
- nikbackm 12y agoLooks like you now can sync saved passwords also if you have a master password set. Previously it was disabled in that case.
- bad_user 12y agoThe only thing I don't like about this is that I'm not seeing myself using Yahoo! for my searches, because I'm not living in the US and everything else I tried has poor local results. This is OK for me, because switching search engines is easy in Firefox. However, this means that the searches I'm doing will not generate revenue for Mozilla anymore. And I feel bad about that. I hope they'll cut a deal with Google for Europe.
- cpeterso 12y agoHow much worse are Yahoo! or Bing search results compared to Google in Europe? Is the problem that Yahoo! or Bing don't crawl enough European language sites?
- hrvbr 12y agoI don't like the French version of Bing. One of the reasons is that it assumes I'm monolingual. Like, if I search for a film, I'll get the result for Allociné instead of IMDb. I much prefer IMDb.
- bad_user 12y agoI'm a Romanian and speaking from personal experience, they are much, much worse. For example I just searched for "restaurante" (the Romanian word for "restaurants"). Google gives me nearby restaurants in Google Maps plus links to Romanian guides to restaurants, whereas Yahoo is giving me the Spanish Wikipedia page for the Spanish definition as the first result (WTF!) and the results are complete bullshit. And look, DuckDuckGo is also returning the same bullshit (yes, even with regional searches turned on, I still get Spanish results): https://duckduckgo.com/?q=restaurante https://duckduckgo.com/?q=restaurante I could think of other blunders, as whenever I tried using alternatives it's been very painful for me (i.e. fixing the individual example above won't solve my needs) and Google is also often able to infer what I want based on my profile. For example when I search for Ruby I get a different set of results than my wife does ;-) You can say what you want about Google's privacy invading tactics, but their search results are really the best and if people wonder why they have a monopoly in search, well this is why.
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- ExpiredLink 12y agoUnfortunately, FlashBlock doesn't work any more.
- zyx321 12y agoWell, between the built-in click to play for simple use cases and noscript for more advanced setups, do you even still need FlashBlock?
- ExpiredLink 12y agoMaybe Flashblock actually isn't needed any more.
- nikbackm 12y agoHave you considered uninstalling Flash instead of merely blocking it? Works well for me, but I don't regularly visit any site that depends on Flash. Easy enough to open the occasional Flash-using page in Chrome or IE instead - they both have embedded, auto-updated Flash-plugins that don't need to be kept up-to-date separately.
- ExpiredLink 12y agoUninstalling Flash means uninstalling video. Flash in browsers nowadays is probably less obnoxious than it was years ago.