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Might be worth mentioning that you are employed by Docker, if you're going to engage in this discussion.

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Alupis 12y ago
The Docker team does this a lot, and it's part of their PR machine. They creep their way into and eventually try to steer every conversation regarding containers, especially when it can potentially be damaging to their "brand". (part of what has rubbed me the wrong way) ~~~ Frankly, shykes and other Docker employees shouldn't be commenting here. It only serves to make them look petty with any attempt of a "rebuttal" and, as shykes put it, "sling mud". CoreOS made a grand announcement, and yes it competes with Docker... but just let it play out. Frankly, there is a lot of things Rocket aims to do that are more appealing to me. Security being one of them, and a standardized container specification is another. If anything, it will make Docker compete better.
- shykes 12y ago
  If you must know, the opposite just happened. Someone who happens to work at Docker just voiced their individual opinion. He was then reminded by "the PR machine" that it is better to take the high road and refrain from answering, and let the company make an official answer. This is pretty standard communication practices, and a good way to avoid feeding trolls like you. I know this, because I myself will get in trouble for replying to you :)
  - Alupis 12y ago
    > avoid feeding trolls like you. Interesting to see you resort to calling your users "trolls" simply because they feel it's not good for you, the head of Docker, to respond off-the-cuff and angry about a PR announcement from a competitor. > that it is better to take the high road and refrain from answering, and let the company make an official answer Your company already released an official announcement 2+ hours ago (with much of the same rhetoric as your post here). Seems you didn't even follow your own advice.
    - shykes 12y ago
      I'm just calling you a troll, and it's for implying that a cabal of Docker employees somehow manipulates and suppresses the public conversation about containers for the profit of their employers.
      - sagichmal 12y ago
        > I'm just calling you a troll, and it's for implying that > a cabal of Docker employees somehow manipulates and > suppresses the public conversation about containers for > the profit of their employers. Really? This strikes you as a good idea?
      - Alupis 12y ago
        You came here with the explicit intent of disseminating your viewpoint that CoreOS is making a terrible decision and why your company and it's ideals are better. Your company already made an official PR response, leave it at that. (and you call me a troll?) For the first time in Docker's short history, it's future and mission are being directly challenged. This is your response? (it won't be the last time Docker is directly challenged). Imagine if Microsoft went around rattling the cage every time Apple released some product -- it would make them look pretty petty pretty quickly. Just get out there and compete. Produce a superior product and the market will speak.
        kordless 12y ago
        > Imagine if Microsoft went around rattling the cage every time Apple released some product You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A PHONE? In all seriousness, you made a few blaming statements early on in this thread which is the most likely reason got the reaction you did from Solomon. I'm not opposed to people making observations, but speaking for others really has no place here! Specifically talking about the "PR machine" comment. Say what you mean!
        egeozcan 12y ago
- chroma 12y ago
  > The Docker team does this a lot, and it's part of their PR machine. They creep their way into and eventually try to steer every conversation regarding containers, especially when it can potentially be damaging to their "brand". Can you give three examples of this happening?
- lclarkmichalek 12y ago
  I think it's a little less scary than you think. The person who commented was a dev. Like a very devvy dev, who spends lots of time devving on Docker. He's free to express an opinion, but he prob should have mentioned who he was (I recognised his name because he dev a lot on docker). But he's not part of the PR machine. He's a dev. A dev with a kinda ill thought out opinion, but a dev.
- ridruejo 12y ago
  Actually, I appreciate that shykes and others take the time and try to explain their side of things and engage in a dialog. There's a lot of people confused right now about what's going on.

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The Docker team does this a lot, and it's part of their PR machine. They creep their way into and eventually try to steer every conversation regarding containers, especially when it can potentially be damaging to their "brand". (part of what has rubbed me the wrong way) ~~~ Frankly, shykes and other Docker employees shouldn't be commenting here. It only serves to make them look petty with any attempt of a "rebuttal" and, as shykes put it, "sling mud". CoreOS made a grand announcement, and yes it competes with Docker... but just let it play out. Frankly, there is a lot of things Rocket aims to do that are more appealing to me. Security being one of them, and a standardized container specification is another. If anything, it will make Docker compete better.

shykes 12y ago
If you must know, the opposite just happened. Someone who happens to work at Docker just voiced their individual opinion. He was then reminded by "the PR machine" that it is better to take the high road and refrain from answering, and let the company make an official answer. This is pretty standard communication practices, and a good way to avoid feeding trolls like you. I know this, because I myself will get in trouble for replying to you :)
- Alupis 12y ago
  > avoid feeding trolls like you. Interesting to see you resort to calling your users "trolls" simply because they feel it's not good for you, the head of Docker, to respond off-the-cuff and angry about a PR announcement from a competitor. > that it is better to take the high road and refrain from answering, and let the company make an official answer Your company already released an official announcement 2+ hours ago (with much of the same rhetoric as your post here). Seems you didn't even follow your own advice.
  - shykes 12y ago
    I'm just calling you a troll, and it's for implying that a cabal of Docker employees somehow manipulates and suppresses the public conversation about containers for the profit of their employers.
    - sagichmal 12y ago
      > I'm just calling you a troll, and it's for implying that > a cabal of Docker employees somehow manipulates and > suppresses the public conversation about containers for > the profit of their employers. Really? This strikes you as a good idea?
    - Alupis 12y ago
      You came here with the explicit intent of disseminating your viewpoint that CoreOS is making a terrible decision and why your company and it's ideals are better. Your company already made an official PR response, leave it at that. (and you call me a troll?) For the first time in Docker's short history, it's future and mission are being directly challenged. This is your response? (it won't be the last time Docker is directly challenged). Imagine if Microsoft went around rattling the cage every time Apple released some product -- it would make them look pretty petty pretty quickly. Just get out there and compete. Produce a superior product and the market will speak.
      - kordless 12y ago
        > Imagine if Microsoft went around rattling the cage every time Apple released some product You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A PHONE? In all seriousness, you made a few blaming statements early on in this thread which is the most likely reason got the reaction you did from Solomon. I'm not opposed to people making observations, but speaking for others really has no place here! Specifically talking about the "PR machine" comment. Say what you mean!
        egeozcan 12y ago
chroma 12y ago
> The Docker team does this a lot, and it's part of their PR machine. They creep their way into and eventually try to steer every conversation regarding containers, especially when it can potentially be damaging to their "brand". Can you give three examples of this happening?
lclarkmichalek 12y ago
I think it's a little less scary than you think. The person who commented was a dev. Like a very devvy dev, who spends lots of time devving on Docker. He's free to express an opinion, but he prob should have mentioned who he was (I recognised his name because he dev a lot on docker). But he's not part of the PR machine. He's a dev. A dev with a kinda ill thought out opinion, but a dev.
ridruejo 12y ago
Actually, I appreciate that shykes and others take the time and try to explain their side of things and engage in a dialog. There's a lot of people confused right now about what's going on.