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If it's any consolation to you, 9front types keep on adding more and more fiddly multi-key shortcuts. Eventually it'll be like suckless, where you need the man

by smorrow 12y ago

If it's any consolation to you, 9front types keep on adding more and more fiddly multi-key shortcuts. Eventually it'll be like suckless, where you need the man page to even open a shell. Pretty opaque interface. Re: taking your hand off the keyboard: I find that once you get to multiple modifiers and/or you go outside of alphanumerics, you've got to take your EYES off the SCREEN, which is worse. You know, you see people commenting about the mouse, but you never see anyone say "you know, if there's one thing I don't want, it's getting to anywhere on the screen just by looking at it!" But that's what the mouse is. You can point at anything almost as quickly as you can point your eyes at it. I can't believe I'm commenting (yet again) in another one of these cringey Plan 9 threads, where nobody knows anything and everybody thinks they're an authority... but there you go.

reirob 12y ago
Sorry for having made you comment - it was really not my intention to make people bitter. You are absolutely right that I don't know anything about Plan9 - I have not yet used it and I don't want to be an authority. I just like its architecture and that's the reason that I read the articles that pop up. Who knows maybe one day I'll use it. Now regarding my opinion: I have nothing against the mouse, I use it a lot - and actually in my case I don't even have to take my hands off the keyboard to use it, it's a Thinkpad trackpoint and I love it. And because it's one of the model from 2 years before it actually has 3 physical buttons. But what I wanted to say, is that I like to use the keyboard if it's possible. I am of the vi league, so if I work in the terminal, in the editor or in REPLs and I have the vi bindings working, it makes me so snappy and happy (and I don't have to take my eyes off the screen - touchtyping ;). That said, I absolutely agree, that using vi key-binding is visually opaque and therefore it must never be the only option, but just an option that maybe could be switched on. But, please take it as just my opinion. It's not even a complaint. I would love to see Plan9 getting more attention.
- smorrow 12y ago
  > Sorry for having made you comment - it was really not my intention to make people bitter. I don't think I meant it in that way, but thanks. > vi Since we're now talking about editors. If there's people that want to use keyboardy text editors, fine by me. There's definitely a logic to it. But the "control your window manager with vi-like keybindings" crowd: I can't even comprehend what type of mindset chooses this, except some sort of delusional one. If there's one thing that can get me ranting...

by smorrow 12y ago

reirob 12y ago

Sorry for having made you comment - it was really not my intention to make people bitter. You are absolutely right that I don't know anything about Plan9 - I have not yet used it and I don't want to be an authority. I just like its architecture and that's the reason that I read the articles that pop up. Who knows maybe one day I'll use it. Now regarding my opinion: I have nothing against the mouse, I use it a lot - and actually in my case I don't even have to take my hands off the keyboard to use it, it's a Thinkpad trackpoint and I love it. And because it's one of the model from 2 years before it actually has 3 physical buttons. But what I wanted to say, is that I like to use the keyboard if it's possible. I am of the vi league, so if I work in the terminal, in the editor or in REPLs and I have the vi bindings working, it makes me so snappy and happy (and I don't have to take my eyes off the screen - touchtyping ;). That said, I absolutely agree, that using vi key-binding is visually opaque and therefore it must never be the only option, but just an option that maybe could be switched on. But, please take it as just my opinion. It's not even a complaint. I would love to see Plan9 getting more attention.

smorrow 12y ago
> Sorry for having made you comment - it was really not my intention to make people bitter. I don't think I meant it in that way, but thanks. > vi Since we're now talking about editors. If there's people that want to use keyboardy text editors, fine by me. There's definitely a logic to it. But the "control your window manager with vi-like keybindings" crowd: I can't even comprehend what type of mindset chooses this, except some sort of delusional one. If there's one thing that can get me ranting...