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The worst part is that non-VAT registered (because of turnover of less than £70K/~$100K in UK) businesses will have to register for VAT in each of the 28 EU cou

The worst part is that non-VAT registered (because of turnover of less than £70K/~$100K in UK) businesses will have to register for VAT in each of the 28 EU countries they sell to individually (and probably in 15+ non-English languages). I intend to stop selling to (non-UK) EU countries in 2015, but I am worried about that decision as it may open me up to discrimination laws. If that's the case, I'll have to close my business entirely.

pja 12y ago
There's supposed to be a one-stop shop system to avoid this. Whether it's going to work properly on launch day is another question!
- chrisdew 12y ago
  The MOSS (one stop shop) is only available to VAT-registered entities. Making it available to all would solve the problem for me.
  - honzzz 12y ago
    But you will be WAT-registered entity as soon as you register in a first country. I still think the law is badly written but I think it does not require registering in all 28 EU countries.
    - chrisdew 12y ago
      Are you sure about this, I thought HMRC needed a UK VAT registration number?
      - honzzz 12y ago
        Honestly, I am not sure about anything related to this law. I am also not UK-based so I don't know haw exactly is the EU directive implemented in UK. I live in the Czech Republic and here you can become so called "person identified for VAT" which (if I understand correctly - IANAL) enables you to use mini one stop shop for selling over the border while internally (selling inside the country) you remain in non-VAT regime. Our law is based on the same EU directive as yours so I suggest you check whether your law also offers something like that. It is still more complicated than it should be (I think the whole concept of VAT is bad) but I hope it is not as bad as registering in all EU countries. I will also consider 3rd party services like http://www.taxamo.com http://www.taxamo.com - I am not related to them, I am just sharing that because you might find it useful.
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pja 12y ago

There's supposed to be a one-stop shop system to avoid this. Whether it's going to work properly on launch day is another question!

chrisdew 12y ago
The MOSS (one stop shop) is only available to VAT-registered entities. Making it available to all would solve the problem for me.
- honzzz 12y ago
  But you will be WAT-registered entity as soon as you register in a first country. I still think the law is badly written but I think it does not require registering in all 28 EU countries.
  - chrisdew 12y ago
    Are you sure about this, I thought HMRC needed a UK VAT registration number?
    - honzzz 12y ago
      Honestly, I am not sure about anything related to this law. I am also not UK-based so I don't know haw exactly is the EU directive implemented in UK. I live in the Czech Republic and here you can become so called "person identified for VAT" which (if I understand correctly - IANAL) enables you to use mini one stop shop for selling over the border while internally (selling inside the country) you remain in non-VAT regime. Our law is based on the same EU directive as yours so I suggest you check whether your law also offers something like that. It is still more complicated than it should be (I think the whole concept of VAT is bad) but I hope it is not as bad as registering in all EU countries. I will also consider 3rd party services like http://www.taxamo.com http://www.taxamo.com - I am not related to them, I am just sharing that because you might find it useful.
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