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I'm talking about those who haven't settle down with a sexual partner, those who keep experimenting are the ones who have the highter probability.

dalke 12y ago
Your definition is quite different than the usual definition of promiscuous. For example, it means that everyone who has had sex for the first time, and who hasn't yet decided if this partner is permanent, is promiscuous. Thus, your definition concerns intent, when viruses don't care one whit about intent. You see this in the sex research literature - for example, "men who have sex with men" is a category which is irrespective of self-identification, as MSM is the action, while "gay", "queer", "homosexual", "bisexual", "polysexual", "bi-curious", etc. have cultural and motivational meaning beyond the mechanics. Again, your use of moralistic terms like "promiscuous", "experimenting", and "settle down" suggest to me that you have a sex-negative viewpoint. People like sex. Most people have sex with multiple partners over their lives. Advice like "don't ever have sex except in a committed marriage to a monogamous spouse" isn't effective, and has never been effective. It does it make people hide their sexuality ... but they'll still have sex. It instead means they won't get the information they need for safe sex. We see this in the US where abstinence only sex education has been shown to be ineffective at changing behavior, while real sex education, including how to use a condom, leads to better outcomes. See http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/research_says.pdf http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/research_says.pdf as one of many such summaries. If you're going to suggest unreasonable solutions, you might as well suggest people live in their own isolated bubble suits - it will certainly prevent STD transmission, where your suggestion doesn't.
- adrianlmm 12y ago
  >Your definition is quite different than the usual definition of promiscuous According to Wikipedia, the word promiscuous may have different definitions, mine is one of them. >Again, your use of moralistic terms like "promiscuous", "experimenting", and "settle down" suggest to me that you have a sex-negative viewpoint. What moralistic is that? is just an opinion. >People like sex. Most people have sex with multiple partners over their lives. Advice like "don't ever have sex except in a committed marriage to a monogamous spouse" isn't effective, and has never been effective. It does it make people hide their sexuality ... but they'll still have sex. It instead means they won't get the information they need for safe sex. So, it doesn't mean it is safe or free of consequences, promiscuous people have more risc in contracting a SDT how is that a moral judgment? is not. >We see this in the US where abstinence only sex education has been shown to be ineffective at changing behavior I'm not talking about abstinence,I'm talkiing of having less sex partners to have less riscs, simple as that. >If you're going to suggest unreasonable solutions Who is sugesting anything? I was making a simple observation, but some how, you feel judged, I wonder why.
  - dalke 12y ago
    "mine is one of them." No, it isn't. Prove me otherwise. According to your definition, anyone who has sex other than in a long-term monogamous relationship is promiscuous. Quote where the WP page says something similar. "What moralistic is that?" According to the same Wikipedia page you mentioned "The term can carry a moral judgement if viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur only within exclusive committed relationships." That's exactly the way you used it. You presume that everyone has specific end goals with sex. Not everyone who has sex with multiple partners is "experimenting". Not everyone wants to "settle down". "is just an opinion" There's no contradiction. Expressing opinions is one of the ways that morality reveals itself. The way you have expressed your opinions is judgmental and moralistic. "promiscuous people have more risc in contracting a SDT ..." The majority of people have an STD, even those who never have sex. Some STDs can be passed by kissing or sharing a toothbrush. Others require genital contact. I therefore observe that going within 100 meters of other people, or where other people have been, gives more risk in contracting an STD. My observation is much more valid than yours, for reasons I highlighted earlier. Yours is mostly pointless, because having sex with multiple partners is only one risk factor, and not even the most significant risk factor. You can be completely monogamous and have only had sex with a single partner, and still get an STD from that partner; all the more so if that partner has frequent unsafe sex with a large number of partners. "I'm not talking about abstinence" Never said you were. I'm saying that sex positive safe sex education is more effective at improving social outcomes (reducing virus spread, reducing unplanned pregnancy, etc.) than anything which tries to reduce promiscuity. Therefore your observation is not only full of counter-cases but experience shows it can't be used for effective decision making - except by those wishing to enforce a certain morality. "some how, you feel judged, I wonder why" That's the second time you've tried to use that derailment tactic. It's an irrelevant ad hominem detail, and you should learn to not use it.
    - adrianlmm 12y ago
      >No, it isn't. Says who? you? here is what Wikipedia says: What sexual behavior is considered promiscuous varies between cultures, as does the prevalence of promiscuity, with different standards often being applied to different genders and civil status, see? varies. > There's no contradiction. Expressing opinions is one of the ways that morality reveals itself If you think that my tone is about morals, is your problem, and if it is about morals, so what? do you have a problem with morals? > The majority of people have an STD, even those who never have sex Citation needed, and depending of what kind of STD you are talking about, there are some that are no problem, but those transmited only by sexual relations are the most dangerous, and the promiscuous has more chances getting it, period. >My observation is much more valid than yours Says who? you? If me saying that being promiscuous has more risc of getting an STD botters you, sorry, is still a fact. >Never said you were Yet you brought the subject, proving nothing but you are desesperating trying to justify your point with information that has nothing to do with the topic. >That's the second time you've tried to use that derailment tactic Nope, is the second time you are not getting it, at this point I feel I already wont the argument, no more replies from me.

dalke 12y ago

Your definition is quite different than the usual definition of promiscuous. For example, it means that everyone who has had sex for the first time, and who hasn't yet decided if this partner is permanent, is promiscuous. Thus, your definition concerns intent, when viruses don't care one whit about intent. You see this in the sex research literature - for example, "men who have sex with men" is a category which is irrespective of self-identification, as MSM is the action, while "gay", "queer", "homosexual", "bisexual", "polysexual", "bi-curious", etc. have cultural and motivational meaning beyond the mechanics. Again, your use of moralistic terms like "promiscuous", "experimenting", and "settle down" suggest to me that you have a sex-negative viewpoint. People like sex. Most people have sex with multiple partners over their lives. Advice like "don't ever have sex except in a committed marriage to a monogamous spouse" isn't effective, and has never been effective. It does it make people hide their sexuality ... but they'll still have sex. It instead means they won't get the information they need for safe sex. We see this in the US where abstinence only sex education has been shown to be ineffective at changing behavior, while real sex education, including how to use a condom, leads to better outcomes. See http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/research_says.pdf http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/research_says.pdf as one of many such summaries. If you're going to suggest unreasonable solutions, you might as well suggest people live in their own isolated bubble suits - it will certainly prevent STD transmission, where your suggestion doesn't.

adrianlmm 12y ago
>Your definition is quite different than the usual definition of promiscuous According to Wikipedia, the word promiscuous may have different definitions, mine is one of them. >Again, your use of moralistic terms like "promiscuous", "experimenting", and "settle down" suggest to me that you have a sex-negative viewpoint. What moralistic is that? is just an opinion. >People like sex. Most people have sex with multiple partners over their lives. Advice like "don't ever have sex except in a committed marriage to a monogamous spouse" isn't effective, and has never been effective. It does it make people hide their sexuality ... but they'll still have sex. It instead means they won't get the information they need for safe sex. So, it doesn't mean it is safe or free of consequences, promiscuous people have more risc in contracting a SDT how is that a moral judgment? is not. >We see this in the US where abstinence only sex education has been shown to be ineffective at changing behavior I'm not talking about abstinence,I'm talkiing of having less sex partners to have less riscs, simple as that. >If you're going to suggest unreasonable solutions Who is sugesting anything? I was making a simple observation, but some how, you feel judged, I wonder why.
- dalke 12y ago
  "mine is one of them." No, it isn't. Prove me otherwise. According to your definition, anyone who has sex other than in a long-term monogamous relationship is promiscuous. Quote where the WP page says something similar. "What moralistic is that?" According to the same Wikipedia page you mentioned "The term can carry a moral judgement if viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur only within exclusive committed relationships." That's exactly the way you used it. You presume that everyone has specific end goals with sex. Not everyone who has sex with multiple partners is "experimenting". Not everyone wants to "settle down". "is just an opinion" There's no contradiction. Expressing opinions is one of the ways that morality reveals itself. The way you have expressed your opinions is judgmental and moralistic. "promiscuous people have more risc in contracting a SDT ..." The majority of people have an STD, even those who never have sex. Some STDs can be passed by kissing or sharing a toothbrush. Others require genital contact. I therefore observe that going within 100 meters of other people, or where other people have been, gives more risk in contracting an STD. My observation is much more valid than yours, for reasons I highlighted earlier. Yours is mostly pointless, because having sex with multiple partners is only one risk factor, and not even the most significant risk factor. You can be completely monogamous and have only had sex with a single partner, and still get an STD from that partner; all the more so if that partner has frequent unsafe sex with a large number of partners. "I'm not talking about abstinence" Never said you were. I'm saying that sex positive safe sex education is more effective at improving social outcomes (reducing virus spread, reducing unplanned pregnancy, etc.) than anything which tries to reduce promiscuity. Therefore your observation is not only full of counter-cases but experience shows it can't be used for effective decision making - except by those wishing to enforce a certain morality. "some how, you feel judged, I wonder why" That's the second time you've tried to use that derailment tactic. It's an irrelevant ad hominem detail, and you should learn to not use it.
  - adrianlmm 12y ago
    >No, it isn't. Says who? you? here is what Wikipedia says: What sexual behavior is considered promiscuous varies between cultures, as does the prevalence of promiscuity, with different standards often being applied to different genders and civil status, see? varies. > There's no contradiction. Expressing opinions is one of the ways that morality reveals itself If you think that my tone is about morals, is your problem, and if it is about morals, so what? do you have a problem with morals? > The majority of people have an STD, even those who never have sex Citation needed, and depending of what kind of STD you are talking about, there are some that are no problem, but those transmited only by sexual relations are the most dangerous, and the promiscuous has more chances getting it, period. >My observation is much more valid than yours Says who? you? If me saying that being promiscuous has more risc of getting an STD botters you, sorry, is still a fact. >Never said you were Yet you brought the subject, proving nothing but you are desesperating trying to justify your point with information that has nothing to do with the topic. >That's the second time you've tried to use that derailment tactic Nope, is the second time you are not getting it, at this point I feel I already wont the argument, no more replies from me.