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Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what n

by rtpg 12y ago

Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what neo-fascists might want to believe. Population growth in Switzerland is currently at 0.6%, so immigration can help supplement this. Basically there's no good reason to limit immigration.

crdoconnor 12y ago
Immigration lowers wages.
aikah 12y ago
> Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what neo-fascists might want to believe. It doesnt say anything about the real cost of immigration.All I know is that the british people are getting less and less benefits per people,their healthcare system is being privatized and education is getting more and more expensive,without the "neo-fascists" in power. The ruling elite is doing everything so that more and more people want to vote for what you call "neo-fascists". And frankly there is no "neo-fascists".It's the bogeyman the elite uses in order to scare off people and make sure they vote "the right way".Fortunatly less and less people are falling for that scam.
- newaccountfool 12y ago
  The party that I think he will be referring to is UKIP, which is pretty much like the current government just with more extreme attitudes to government.
- lmm 12y ago
  > their healthcare system is being privatized and education is getting more and more expensive,without the "neo-fascists" in power. Huhwhat? The recent damage to the benefit and healthcare system and the huge increase in university fees both happened under the current Conservative government, not because of immigration but because of policy. Turns out the left-right axis is real, and the far right really is further to the right (e.g. UKIP's deputy leader recently said that he couldn't see the NHS surviving in its current form because it didn't have any free-market competition).
- crdoconnor 12y ago
  >Fortunatly less and less people are falling for that scam. Seems the opposite for me. Nigel Farage did pretty well last election.
freshflowers 12y ago
As in most Western European countries, there are some very good reasons to limit specific immigration. Specifically the immigration of people that are hostile to the local culture, and act out that hostility through various forms of aggression. Citing immigrant population statistics is tried and proven way to cloud the issue. In the Netherlands for instance, the largest groups of immigrants are Germans. You don't really believe the immigration debate is about them, do you? I'm guessing a fairly large part of the UK immigrant population is Western European. Those, plus migrant workers in science, technology and finance, kind of skew the stats. Calling everybody who points out that there's also another group of immigrants who's net contribution isn't exactly positive "neo-fascists" is extremely counterproductive.
- jarek 12y ago
  > Citing immigrant population statistics is tried and proven way to cloud the issue. In the Netherlands for instance, the largest groups of immigrants are Germans. You don't really believe the immigration debate is about them, do you? Amusingly, if the internet is to be believed, immigrant Germans have been somewhat of a cause for debate in Switzerland lately, e.g. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-changing-face-of-german-immigration/33070896 http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-changing-face-of-german-immi...
Nursie 12y ago
>> Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what neo-fascists might want to believe. It's not this clean cut. They used some interesting methodologies to come up with a figure of 5 billion net contribution from the immigrant population. Taken alone this does not mean "more immigrants good" as it doesn't break down that group. What does it look like if we look specifically at skilled migration from outside of the EU on Tier 2 visas etc, compared to the figures for migration from within the EU (which requires nothing more than moving)? What about the refugee populations? Their economic impact is of very little concern - we take them because they are in need - but it might at least be interesting for the sake of comparison to know how it all works out. There are also concerns in the UK that this didn't take into account the strains on infrastructure and transport. And that wage suppression is another effect of importing vast numbers of people. This in itself may be good for business but bad for people, and may have knock-on economic effects as those who already have the least spending power find it gets even smaller. Just saying 'immigration contributed 5 billion quid last year' doesn't actually say a lot.
rayditutto 12y ago
how about the unlimited growth ponzi scheme
tomjen3 12y ago
To put it blindly immigration from western countries, asian countries and north america good, imigration from south america, the middle east and africa bad.
dho 12y ago
That's not true, population growth in Switzerland has been above 1% since 2007: http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/02/blank/key/bevoelkerungsstand.html http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/02/bla...

by rtpg 12y ago

crdoconnor 12y ago

Immigration lowers wages.

aikah 12y ago

> Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what neo-fascists might want to believe. It doesnt say anything about the real cost of immigration.All I know is that the british people are getting less and less benefits per people,their healthcare system is being privatized and education is getting more and more expensive,without the "neo-fascists" in power. The ruling elite is doing everything so that more and more people want to vote for what you call "neo-fascists". And frankly there is no "neo-fascists".It's the bogeyman the elite uses in order to scare off people and make sure they vote "the right way".Fortunatly less and less people are falling for that scam.

newaccountfool 12y ago
The party that I think he will be referring to is UKIP, which is pretty much like the current government just with more extreme attitudes to government.
lmm 12y ago
> their healthcare system is being privatized and education is getting more and more expensive,without the "neo-fascists" in power. Huhwhat? The recent damage to the benefit and healthcare system and the huge increase in university fees both happened under the current Conservative government, not because of immigration but because of policy. Turns out the left-right axis is real, and the far right really is further to the right (e.g. UKIP's deputy leader recently said that he couldn't see the NHS surviving in its current form because it didn't have any free-market competition).
crdoconnor 12y ago
>Fortunatly less and less people are falling for that scam. Seems the opposite for me. Nigel Farage did pretty well last election.

freshflowers 12y ago

As in most Western European countries, there are some very good reasons to limit specific immigration. Specifically the immigration of people that are hostile to the local culture, and act out that hostility through various forms of aggression. Citing immigrant population statistics is tried and proven way to cloud the issue. In the Netherlands for instance, the largest groups of immigrants are Germans. You don't really believe the immigration debate is about them, do you? I'm guessing a fairly large part of the UK immigrant population is Western European. Those, plus migrant workers in science, technology and finance, kind of skew the stats. Calling everybody who points out that there's also another group of immigrants who's net contribution isn't exactly positive "neo-fascists" is extremely counterproductive.

jarek 12y ago
> Citing immigrant population statistics is tried and proven way to cloud the issue. In the Netherlands for instance, the largest groups of immigrants are Germans. You don't really believe the immigration debate is about them, do you? Amusingly, if the internet is to be believed, immigrant Germans have been somewhat of a cause for debate in Switzerland lately, e.g. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-changing-face-of-german-immigration/33070896 http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-changing-face-of-german-immi...

Nursie 12y ago

>> Studies have shown that in the UK immigrant populations pay more in taxes than they pull out in benefits, I imagine it's the same in Switzerland, despite what neo-fascists might want to believe. It's not this clean cut. They used some interesting methodologies to come up with a figure of 5 billion net contribution from the immigrant population. Taken alone this does not mean "more immigrants good" as it doesn't break down that group. What does it look like if we look specifically at skilled migration from outside of the EU on Tier 2 visas etc, compared to the figures for migration from within the EU (which requires nothing more than moving)? What about the refugee populations? Their economic impact is of very little concern - we take them because they are in need - but it might at least be interesting for the sake of comparison to know how it all works out. There are also concerns in the UK that this didn't take into account the strains on infrastructure and transport. And that wage suppression is another effect of importing vast numbers of people. This in itself may be good for business but bad for people, and may have knock-on economic effects as those who already have the least spending power find it gets even smaller. Just saying 'immigration contributed 5 billion quid last year' doesn't actually say a lot.

rayditutto 12y ago

how about the unlimited growth ponzi scheme

tomjen3 12y ago

To put it blindly immigration from western countries, asian countries and north america good, imigration from south america, the middle east and africa bad.

dho 12y ago

That's not true, population growth in Switzerland has been above 1% since 2007: http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/02/blank/key/bevoelkerungsstand.html http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/02/bla...