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I've always gone thinkpad for Linux and never really been let down. I got an M$ Surface Pro 3 last month (don't laugh) but its actually first rate, hardware wi

I've always gone thinkpad for Linux and never really been let down. I got an M$ Surface Pro 3 last month (don't laugh) but its actually first rate, hardware wise. Fedora doesn't quite work perfectly yet but its pretty close. High DPI touch screens rock!

LeoNatan25 12y ago
Can't take seriously anyone that types "M$". I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up.
- farresito 12y ago
  You know what Ballmer once said? "Linux is a cancer". If you can't take such an small thing as writing "M$", then you should consider being part of another community.
  - guardian5x 12y ago
    And Steve Jobs said he is going to start a thermo-nuclear war against Android because its a stolen product. I agree that writing something like M$ sounds childish, and i think it sounds just as childish as writing Appl€, crApple or Googl€.
    - LeoNatan25 12y ago
      Agree with you completely. "Scroogle" is fine, though. :-)
      - captain_pissoff 12y ago
        BwaWaWaWa! You've amused dearly by being the one who points out your own irony.
- jessaustin 12y ago
  GP was complimenting M$. As for "growing up", it seems that the younger fanbois are more sensitive to a fairly innocuous shorthand than those of us who remember computing in the '90s.
  - yzzxy 12y ago
    I think this is probably because hackers in younger generations never experienced the beast that was Microsoft in the 90s and have seen the progression of MS as one from "company that makes boring and/or bad OS" to the embrace of FOSS that's been happening recently. I'm personally super interested in tech and hacking history, so I've read all the war stories, the pleas on FOSS homepages, the rants on sites like jwz's, books like Microserfs, etc. But even the most talented hackers who are 16-24 right now probably see Microsoft as "the Xbox company."
    - silverfox17 12y ago
      Not true - 21 here, was only born in 1993. I'm aware of the disputes that have happened over time, especially arguments with Netscape / Jobs / etc. Microsoft has a pretty interesting and rich history, and I was extremely surprised about the recent open source announcements. I read somewhere they actually have an open source branch, it's just not widely talked about, mainly because Windows overshadows it.
      - yzzxy 12y ago
        I'm not trying to make an ultimatum - there will definitely be exceptions, as I pointed out myself. But if you ask around, most people in that demographic won't know about the story of MS, won't have seen stuff like the Gates deposition video, etc. The most you'll get is a vague notion of Microsoft being called evil by greybeards.
  - LeoNatan25 12y ago
    He was using a good product, yet had to lament the fact it was a Microsoft product. And I am by no means fanboy or young. Just don't like silly potshots like that on any side.
- forgotpasswd3x 12y ago
  >I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up. Maybe it's time to not get offended at someone's shorthand. No need to derail conversation in this way.
BerislavLopac 12y ago
I was also considering SP3 -- how does it fare with Linux? Have you encountered any particular difficulties?
- billconan 12y ago
  you need to rebuild kernel to make the touch cover keyboard work. no camera driver. no os hibernation. no bluetooth. details here: https://github.com/nuclearsandwich/surface3-archlinux https://github.com/nuclearsandwich/surface3-archlinux

LeoNatan25 12y ago

Can't take seriously anyone that types "M$". I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up.

farresito 12y ago
You know what Ballmer once said? "Linux is a cancer". If you can't take such an small thing as writing "M$", then you should consider being part of another community.
- guardian5x 12y ago
  And Steve Jobs said he is going to start a thermo-nuclear war against Android because its a stolen product. I agree that writing something like M$ sounds childish, and i think it sounds just as childish as writing Appl€, crApple or Googl€.
  - LeoNatan25 12y ago
    Agree with you completely. "Scroogle" is fine, though. :-)
    - captain_pissoff 12y ago
      BwaWaWaWa! You've amused dearly by being the one who points out your own irony.
jessaustin 12y ago
GP was complimenting M$. As for "growing up", it seems that the younger fanbois are more sensitive to a fairly innocuous shorthand than those of us who remember computing in the '90s.
- yzzxy 12y ago
  I think this is probably because hackers in younger generations never experienced the beast that was Microsoft in the 90s and have seen the progression of MS as one from "company that makes boring and/or bad OS" to the embrace of FOSS that's been happening recently. I'm personally super interested in tech and hacking history, so I've read all the war stories, the pleas on FOSS homepages, the rants on sites like jwz's, books like Microserfs, etc. But even the most talented hackers who are 16-24 right now probably see Microsoft as "the Xbox company."
  - silverfox17 12y ago
    Not true - 21 here, was only born in 1993. I'm aware of the disputes that have happened over time, especially arguments with Netscape / Jobs / etc. Microsoft has a pretty interesting and rich history, and I was extremely surprised about the recent open source announcements. I read somewhere they actually have an open source branch, it's just not widely talked about, mainly because Windows overshadows it.
    - yzzxy 12y ago
      I'm not trying to make an ultimatum - there will definitely be exceptions, as I pointed out myself. But if you ask around, most people in that demographic won't know about the story of MS, won't have seen stuff like the Gates deposition video, etc. The most you'll get is a vague notion of Microsoft being called evil by greybeards.
- LeoNatan25 12y ago
  He was using a good product, yet had to lament the fact it was a Microsoft product. And I am by no means fanboy or young. Just don't like silly potshots like that on any side.
forgotpasswd3x 12y ago
>I know this kind of juvenile potshots are rampant in the Linux community, but it is time to grow up. Maybe it's time to not get offended at someone's shorthand. No need to derail conversation in this way.

BerislavLopac 12y ago

I was also considering SP3 -- how does it fare with Linux? Have you encountered any particular difficulties?

billconan 12y ago
you need to rebuild kernel to make the touch cover keyboard work. no camera driver. no os hibernation. no bluetooth. details here: https://github.com/nuclearsandwich/surface3-archlinux https://github.com/nuclearsandwich/surface3-archlinux