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"reflect modern web user experience by emphasizing interaction and personalization" Am I the only one who used to be but is no longer the target audience of th

"reflect modern web user experience by emphasizing interaction and personalization" Am I the only one who used to be but is no longer the target audience of the web? I've been posting on forums and so on for years and years. Is that not interaction? You need a proper browser to use forums and browse the web properly. Removing or semi-hiding everything doesn't do that. How does hiding a URL make more "interaction and personalization"? Removing settings, as "modern" UI's do, is the opposite of personalization! What if I PERSONALLY like a URL bar? How is it PERSONALIZED to me?

digi_owl 12y ago
The web is the new app apparently. Frankly i see design wankery invading computing left and right these days. Makes me feel like that old grump yelling about lawns...
- throwawayaway 12y ago
  Me three, I'm taking it as a sign that I am now over the hill. Isn't there a COBOL program on a mainframe I can be coding on somewhere?
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  - sp332 12y ago
    COBOL won't save you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg
kacperp 12y ago
I think the beautiful thing is, that you can use whatever browser you want. Yandex' is just another option, that might not be right for you, but might fit the needs of several others.
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- userbinator 12y ago
  Unfortunately all the major browsers appear to be headed in this direction, so it's only an illusion of choice.
  - 3pt14159 12y ago
    WebKit is open source, and it's easy to make your own if you want to.
userbinator 12y ago
This sort of doublespeak seems not uncommon amongst browser vendors lately, and Yandex is no exception. They run a search engine just like Google, so they also want to encourage its use instead of URLs. The difficulty of entering a direct URL with this browser and deemphasising its presence is no doubt a deliberate decision in this direction, and meanwhile they divert attention away from this by emphasising all the non-functional eyecandy. These are displayed on an animated backdrop, with very little other interface furniture to clutter up the look and feel of the page By convincing users that anything other than what these companies want them to see/use is "clutter" and "distraction", and therefore unnecessary, they can achieve better control over them. As the saying goes, "out of sight, out of mind." It's both sad and a little amusing that they're basically saying implicitly "we removed all these things we thought you won't ever use... but you can have a pretty picture to look at." The "modern web user experience" is all about taking control and freedom away from the users - giving it to "content providers" - and conditioning the users to like it and accept it complacently. I think it's the exact opposite of the ideals of the web.
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soapdog 12y ago
If you haven't seen the current customization options in Firefox I advise you to check there, you can move all buttons and bars, add new buttons and tailor your UI to your taste. I took a shot while writing this post showing the customization screen: http://andregarzia.com/shots/Customize_Firefox_Developer_Edition_20141128_150755_20141128_150758.png http://andregarzia.com/shots/Customize_Firefox_Developer_Edi... Firefox still the most customizable browser out there.
- Aardwolf 12y ago
  But why is the refresh button missing there?
  - sp332 12y ago
    It's not missing, it's inside the address bar on the right.
    - Aardwolf 12y ago
      I mean missing from the customization. They allow you to move around and customize buttons, but not the refresh button - which, given its awkward position, would be the first one you want to customize.
- Elhana 12y ago
  Can you move those tabs just above webpage without third party addon? I know Classic Theme Restorer solves it, but Firefox also keeps changing stuff I got used to like every other release. I don't get why they can't leave it alone for existing users and ask explicitly if I want to turn on all those new fancy features on updates. I don't mind if options will be hidden in about:config.

digi_owl 12y ago

The web is the new app apparently. Frankly i see design wankery invading computing left and right these days. Makes me feel like that old grump yelling about lawns...

throwawayaway 12y ago
Me three, I'm taking it as a sign that I am now over the hill. Isn't there a COBOL program on a mainframe I can be coding on somewhere?
- deleted 12y ago
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- sp332 12y ago
  COBOL won't save you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg

kacperp 12y ago

I think the beautiful thing is, that you can use whatever browser you want. Yandex' is just another option, that might not be right for you, but might fit the needs of several others.

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userbinator 12y ago
Unfortunately all the major browsers appear to be headed in this direction, so it's only an illusion of choice.
- 3pt14159 12y ago
  WebKit is open source, and it's easy to make your own if you want to.

userbinator 12y ago

This sort of doublespeak seems not uncommon amongst browser vendors lately, and Yandex is no exception. They run a search engine just like Google, so they also want to encourage its use instead of URLs. The difficulty of entering a direct URL with this browser and deemphasising its presence is no doubt a deliberate decision in this direction, and meanwhile they divert attention away from this by emphasising all the non-functional eyecandy. These are displayed on an animated backdrop, with very little other interface furniture to clutter up the look and feel of the page By convincing users that anything other than what these companies want them to see/use is "clutter" and "distraction", and therefore unnecessary, they can achieve better control over them. As the saying goes, "out of sight, out of mind." It's both sad and a little amusing that they're basically saying implicitly "we removed all these things we thought you won't ever use... but you can have a pretty picture to look at." The "modern web user experience" is all about taking control and freedom away from the users - giving it to "content providers" - and conditioning the users to like it and accept it complacently. I think it's the exact opposite of the ideals of the web.

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soapdog 12y ago

If you haven't seen the current customization options in Firefox I advise you to check there, you can move all buttons and bars, add new buttons and tailor your UI to your taste. I took a shot while writing this post showing the customization screen: http://andregarzia.com/shots/Customize_Firefox_Developer_Edition_20141128_150755_20141128_150758.png http://andregarzia.com/shots/Customize_Firefox_Developer_Edi... Firefox still the most customizable browser out there.

Aardwolf 12y ago
But why is the refresh button missing there?
- sp332 12y ago
  It's not missing, it's inside the address bar on the right.
  - Aardwolf 12y ago
    I mean missing from the customization. They allow you to move around and customize buttons, but not the refresh button - which, given its awkward position, would be the first one you want to customize.
Elhana 12y ago
Can you move those tabs just above webpage without third party addon? I know Classic Theme Restorer solves it, but Firefox also keeps changing stuff I got used to like every other release. I don't get why they can't leave it alone for existing users and ask explicitly if I want to turn on all those new fancy features on updates. I don't mind if options will be hidden in about:config.