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Yandex Gives Its Browser a Minimalist Makeover

89 points by riaface 12y ago

V-2 12y ago
Okay - once I open a new tab, how do I type a url in? :) I know i can do this from the main tab (the speed dial, or whatever this is called) - only ctrl+enter shortcut doesn't work (while it's correctly handled by every browser I know of, but it's alpha). But I don't like having to return to the main screen every time I want to navigate to a new address...
- alpacaaa 12y ago
  ⌘-L or click on the title of the page in the top bar. I've got to say I really like this browser, well done!
  - V-2 12y ago
    I'm on Windows. Ctrl+L doesn't work, nor does clicking on the title of the page (I tried even that!)
- blablabla123 12y ago
  Enter it into the edit field :P (I know it seems surprising)
  - V-2 12y ago
    Duh, you don't say ;) Where's the edit field exactly? Is it the "New Tab - Yandex" area? Clicking on it does nothing, typing does nothing. And I can't really spot any other candidates for the "edit field" role... Screenshot: http://i60.tinypic.com/34hjfd1.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/34hjfd1.jpg
    - blablabla123 12y ago
      Looks broken, have you clicked around randomly? ;) I see some nice cloud animation and tiles and stuff...: http://de.tinypic.com/r/jzk3ys/8 http://de.tinypic.com/r/jzk3ys/8
      - V-2 12y ago
        Yes, I can also see the "speed dial" screen with eye-pleasing animations, and I can navigate to any given website FROM THAT SCREEN. I can't do a thing from the blank new tab, though. So what's the point of it?
Aardwolf 12y ago
"reflect modern web user experience by emphasizing interaction and personalization" Am I the only one who used to be but is no longer the target audience of the web? I've been posting on forums and so on for years and years. Is that not interaction? You need a proper browser to use forums and browse the web properly. Removing or semi-hiding everything doesn't do that. How does hiding a URL make more "interaction and personalization"? Removing settings, as "modern" UI's do, is the opposite of personalization! What if I PERSONALLY like a URL bar? How is it PERSONALIZED to me?
- digi_owl 12y ago
  The web is the new app apparently. Frankly i see design wankery invading computing left and right these days. Makes me feel like that old grump yelling about lawns...
  - throwawayaway 12y ago
    Me three, I'm taking it as a sign that I am now over the hill. Isn't there a COBOL program on a mainframe I can be coding on somewhere?
    - deleted 12y ago
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    - sp332 12y ago
      COBOL won't save you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg
- kacperp 12y ago
  I think the beautiful thing is, that you can use whatever browser you want. Yandex' is just another option, that might not be right for you, but might fit the needs of several others.
  - deleted 12y ago
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rplnt 12y ago
I guess I got older version when I followed the first url to download. In any case, yet another browser with demented tab switching order. Why do the they do it? edit: Installed the alpha version. What I find interesting is that regular Yandex detected Opera installation and imported data from there. Alpha version imported from Firefox (though I still had the Yandex installed).
illicit 12y ago
what an ugly, slow and spyware-seeming browser.
simi_ 12y ago
502 Bad Gateway http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/browser.yandex.com/future/ http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/browser.yandex.com/future... Cached: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://browser.yandex.com/future/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:/... Edit: back online after 5 minutes
cturhan 12y ago
Do you know that it steals all of your credentials and session cookies from other browsers? I did an install, realized that I already logged in facebook, gmail and some other websites. How come this is done so easily? So I immediately removed it from my pc. I don't suggest anyone to install it. I learnt from the hard way.
- freshflowers 12y ago
  It would be a nice feature, if done with permission. (Which I wouldn't give it in a million years, but that's me.)
- general_failure 12y ago
  Other browsers do this by asking. But it's pointless anyway because most people will not know what a cookie is and they leave that check box checked.
  - cturhan 12y ago
    Are you sure that? Other browsers import bookmarks, history etc but not cookies, especially session cookies.
    - general_failure 12y ago
      http://www.valdosta.edu/administration/it/its/css/helpdesk/images/guides/browsers/firefox/ImportBookmarksMFPC4.PNG http://www.valdosta.edu/administration/it/its/css/helpdesk/i... http://www.soft32.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Select.png http://www.soft32.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Select...
      - cturhan 12y ago
        So far, I thought cookies are stored encrypted. That's bad, very bad.
    - tuananh 12y ago
      what the hell is session cookies !?!?
getdavidhiggins 12y ago
We Want Chromeless: https://vimeo.com/95800398 https://vimeo.com/95800398 Get Involved: http://code.higg.im/chromeless/ http://code.higg.im/chromeless/ For the security pedants, I didn't overlook security: Before Fullscreen got launched, there was a heated discussion on the possible security implications of Fullscreen. Couldn't attacker X just mimic a fake browser window, simulate a bank's login screen (address bar et al), and steal login info? Phishing does the exact same thing, but the URL is always cunningly disguised as the real URL. For example: http://bankofamerica.com.87654321.com/login.do. With an exact replica of the Operating System, as-well, as a browser mockup, it can be quite possible to mimic the real URL, so all the user sees is http://bankofamerica.com/login.do. When fullscreen got launched, obviously the Mozilla team did their homework. Firstly, the user knows very well they're entering fullscreen mode (via a very well placed message). As-well as this, the user always has to "click", or otherwise activate Fullscreen through a button. Click-jacking, however is out of the question with Fullscreen. (I've tried it). You can't fire-up Fullscreen by emulating a click. So with this in mind, Chromeless Windows should adapt the same pattern.
- getdavidhiggins 12y ago
  Also noteworthy: Using the HTML5 Fullscreen API for Phishing Attacks http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ Mozilla Full-screen API Security Review https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Reviews/Firefox10/CodeEditor/FullScreenAPI https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Reviews/Firefox10/CodeEdit...

89 points by riaface 12y ago

V-2 12y ago

Okay - once I open a new tab, how do I type a url in? :) I know i can do this from the main tab (the speed dial, or whatever this is called) - only ctrl+enter shortcut doesn't work (while it's correctly handled by every browser I know of, but it's alpha). But I don't like having to return to the main screen every time I want to navigate to a new address...

alpacaaa 12y ago
⌘-L or click on the title of the page in the top bar. I've got to say I really like this browser, well done!
- V-2 12y ago
  I'm on Windows. Ctrl+L doesn't work, nor does clicking on the title of the page (I tried even that!)
blablabla123 12y ago
Enter it into the edit field :P (I know it seems surprising)
- V-2 12y ago
  Duh, you don't say ;) Where's the edit field exactly? Is it the "New Tab - Yandex" area? Clicking on it does nothing, typing does nothing. And I can't really spot any other candidates for the "edit field" role... Screenshot: http://i60.tinypic.com/34hjfd1.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/34hjfd1.jpg
  - blablabla123 12y ago
    Looks broken, have you clicked around randomly? ;) I see some nice cloud animation and tiles and stuff...: http://de.tinypic.com/r/jzk3ys/8 http://de.tinypic.com/r/jzk3ys/8
    - V-2 12y ago
      Yes, I can also see the "speed dial" screen with eye-pleasing animations, and I can navigate to any given website FROM THAT SCREEN. I can't do a thing from the blank new tab, though. So what's the point of it?

Aardwolf 12y ago

"reflect modern web user experience by emphasizing interaction and personalization" Am I the only one who used to be but is no longer the target audience of the web? I've been posting on forums and so on for years and years. Is that not interaction? You need a proper browser to use forums and browse the web properly. Removing or semi-hiding everything doesn't do that. How does hiding a URL make more "interaction and personalization"? Removing settings, as "modern" UI's do, is the opposite of personalization! What if I PERSONALLY like a URL bar? How is it PERSONALIZED to me?

digi_owl 12y ago
The web is the new app apparently. Frankly i see design wankery invading computing left and right these days. Makes me feel like that old grump yelling about lawns...
- throwawayaway 12y ago
  Me three, I'm taking it as a sign that I am now over the hill. Isn't there a COBOL program on a mainframe I can be coding on somewhere?
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - sp332 12y ago
    COBOL won't save you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg
kacperp 12y ago
I think the beautiful thing is, that you can use whatever browser you want. Yandex' is just another option, that might not be right for you, but might fit the needs of several others.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]

rplnt 12y ago

I guess I got older version when I followed the first url to download. In any case, yet another browser with demented tab switching order. Why do the they do it? edit: Installed the alpha version. What I find interesting is that regular Yandex detected Opera installation and imported data from there. Alpha version imported from Firefox (though I still had the Yandex installed).

illicit 12y ago

what an ugly, slow and spyware-seeming browser.

simi_ 12y ago

502 Bad Gateway http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/browser.yandex.com/future/ http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/browser.yandex.com/future... Cached: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://browser.yandex.com/future/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:/... Edit: back online after 5 minutes

cturhan 12y ago

Do you know that it steals all of your credentials and session cookies from other browsers? I did an install, realized that I already logged in facebook, gmail and some other websites. How come this is done so easily? So I immediately removed it from my pc. I don't suggest anyone to install it. I learnt from the hard way.

freshflowers 12y ago
It would be a nice feature, if done with permission. (Which I wouldn't give it in a million years, but that's me.)
general_failure 12y ago
Other browsers do this by asking. But it's pointless anyway because most people will not know what a cookie is and they leave that check box checked.
- cturhan 12y ago
  Are you sure that? Other browsers import bookmarks, history etc but not cookies, especially session cookies.
  - general_failure 12y ago
    http://www.valdosta.edu/administration/it/its/css/helpdesk/images/guides/browsers/firefox/ImportBookmarksMFPC4.PNG http://www.valdosta.edu/administration/it/its/css/helpdesk/i... http://www.soft32.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Select.png http://www.soft32.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Select...
    - cturhan 12y ago
      So far, I thought cookies are stored encrypted. That's bad, very bad.
  - tuananh 12y ago
    what the hell is session cookies !?!?

getdavidhiggins 12y ago

We Want Chromeless: https://vimeo.com/95800398 https://vimeo.com/95800398 Get Involved: http://code.higg.im/chromeless/ http://code.higg.im/chromeless/ For the security pedants, I didn't overlook security: Before Fullscreen got launched, there was a heated discussion on the possible security implications of Fullscreen. Couldn't attacker X just mimic a fake browser window, simulate a bank's login screen (address bar et al), and steal login info? Phishing does the exact same thing, but the URL is always cunningly disguised as the real URL. For example: http://bankofamerica.com.87654321.com/login.do. With an exact replica of the Operating System, as-well, as a browser mockup, it can be quite possible to mimic the real URL, so all the user sees is http://bankofamerica.com/login.do. When fullscreen got launched, obviously the Mozilla team did their homework. Firstly, the user knows very well they're entering fullscreen mode (via a very well placed message). As-well as this, the user always has to "click", or otherwise activate Fullscreen through a button. Click-jacking, however is out of the question with Fullscreen. (I've tried it). You can't fire-up Fullscreen by emulating a click. So with this in mind, Chromeless Windows should adapt the same pattern.

getdavidhiggins 12y ago
Also noteworthy: Using the HTML5 Fullscreen API for Phishing Attacks http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ Mozilla Full-screen API Security Review https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Reviews/Firefox10/CodeEditor/FullScreenAPI https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Reviews/Firefox10/CodeEdit...