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To copy from the previous discussion: I was blocked indefinitely from Adsense by Google's faulty algorithms (without explanation and with appeals rejected with

by cbeach 12y ago

To copy from the previous discussion: I was blocked indefinitely from Adsense by Google's faulty algorithms (without explanation and with appeals rejected without explanation). I lost the revenue I'd earnt that month, and soon realised Google holds a monopoly in this space, and no one else offered a comparable service. I'm all for Google's stronghold to be broken. reply

comboy 12y ago
I'm in minority, but with all VCs funding available today I just don't get any anti-monopoly laws. Adsense didn't work for you and you are unhappy with the experience. Does some other company solution works better for you? Then switch. If it doesn't then adsense is giving you the best value for your money and I see no reason for inefficient governments to interfere with how efficient companies function. edit: I don't mind downvotes but I would appreciate some arguments, especially if you don't agree but you are in favor of free market as opposed to heavily regulated one.
- patrickk 12y ago
  > ... with all VCs funding available today I just don't get any anti-monopoly laws. Are you implying that there is a sum of money that could dislodge Googles stranglehold on the search (and therefore search advertising) market? Look at Microsofts efforts with showering Bing with money. If VCs could back a potential Google-killer, what is the chance that it could resist becoming swallowed by Google once the threat was apparent? > Does some other company solution works better for you? Then switch. If it doesn't then AdSense is giving you the best value for your money If you are reliant on AdSense and are locked out by a mistake, you're screwed. Google has total dominance, no other platform comes close.
  - comboy 12y ago
    ad1. I'm implying it's much easier with VC. But you surely cannot beat Google trying to do exactly what they are doing. With enough innovation, yes I think you can. Google used to be a small company too. As long as there is a freedom of choice for customer all giants fall once they are bad enough. Of course there is advantage in being big, apart from the technology. But that advantage comes from many many people choosing this technology over other options. ad2. No other platform comes close so let's make it worse so that other ones are closer? I know you think you don't want to make it worse but to improve it. But that's your, or some government opinion. And these opinions are not what led to this dominance. It's quite possible that being led by those opinions it would never succeed, and some other, worse platform would be dominant.
raverbashing 12y ago
Or people being locked out of their GMail account This is the problem, and customer service in Google barely solves anything.
- psykovsky 12y ago
  Which customer service are you talking about?
  - snuxoll 12y ago
    The only real customer service Google has is for active AdWords advertisers, if you are on the AdSense side or an end-user of any of its other services then good luck getting any real assistance from them. Microsoft has amazing customer service in comparison for its Live services, which is saying a LOT.
    - Karunamon 12y ago
      Pay for an Apps account. This gets you a live person to talk to and an SLA. Even if it's just one account on your personal domain (cost: $5/month), that alone makes it worth it. Shockingly, Google allocates their CS to people who pay for their service.
      - snuxoll 12y ago
        > Shockingly, Google allocates their CS to people who pay for their service. I don't expect 24x7 phone support for free services, but god damnit if my YouTube account gets shut down because of bullshit DMCA requests, or my AdSense account is closed because of fault algorithms suspecting bad-play I expect to have SOME recourse without needing to break out a lawyer and trying to take Google to court. I have used a wealth of free services and products in my lifetime and NONE have had such piss-poor excuses for support. > Pay for an Apps account. I'd rather not need to host my email with Google (another problem I have with their account system, you can no longer make a Google account that isn't a gmail account) just get proper support from them. Even then it doesn't get me support for anything but the Google Apps services, the rest of their support is still garbage.
snird 12y ago
Breaking up a company is a violent action. No one forced you to use their service, and they do not use violence or any kind of illegal actions to kill those who try to compete with them. Google simply are the biggest due to being the best. It's that simple. If you'll break up everyone who is too good, then what is the society we are walking toward in this situation?
- pluma 12y ago
  Being best at their own economical interests and being best at their customers' interests are not the same thing.
- Retra 12y ago
  So your idea of 'force' is just flexible enough to qualify regulation as violence, but a monopoly is still ok? Nobody forces a business to get big. Nobody forces a business to even exist.
ldng 12y ago
Paypal got repeatedly slapped on their wrist for similar behavior until they somewhat understood. Why don't you gather people to start a class action suit ? There are cases of true abuses but because it is "only" some few hundred dollars, people let go ... And Google keep the money. Reminds me a lot of a certain Paypal area.

by cbeach 12y ago

comboy 12y ago

I'm in minority, but with all VCs funding available today I just don't get any anti-monopoly laws. Adsense didn't work for you and you are unhappy with the experience. Does some other company solution works better for you? Then switch. If it doesn't then adsense is giving you the best value for your money and I see no reason for inefficient governments to interfere with how efficient companies function. edit: I don't mind downvotes but I would appreciate some arguments, especially if you don't agree but you are in favor of free market as opposed to heavily regulated one.

patrickk 12y ago
> ... with all VCs funding available today I just don't get any anti-monopoly laws. Are you implying that there is a sum of money that could dislodge Googles stranglehold on the search (and therefore search advertising) market? Look at Microsofts efforts with showering Bing with money. If VCs could back a potential Google-killer, what is the chance that it could resist becoming swallowed by Google once the threat was apparent? > Does some other company solution works better for you? Then switch. If it doesn't then AdSense is giving you the best value for your money If you are reliant on AdSense and are locked out by a mistake, you're screwed. Google has total dominance, no other platform comes close.
- comboy 12y ago
  ad1. I'm implying it's much easier with VC. But you surely cannot beat Google trying to do exactly what they are doing. With enough innovation, yes I think you can. Google used to be a small company too. As long as there is a freedom of choice for customer all giants fall once they are bad enough. Of course there is advantage in being big, apart from the technology. But that advantage comes from many many people choosing this technology over other options. ad2. No other platform comes close so let's make it worse so that other ones are closer? I know you think you don't want to make it worse but to improve it. But that's your, or some government opinion. And these opinions are not what led to this dominance. It's quite possible that being led by those opinions it would never succeed, and some other, worse platform would be dominant.

raverbashing 12y ago

Or people being locked out of their GMail account This is the problem, and customer service in Google barely solves anything.

psykovsky 12y ago
Which customer service are you talking about?
- snuxoll 12y ago
  The only real customer service Google has is for active AdWords advertisers, if you are on the AdSense side or an end-user of any of its other services then good luck getting any real assistance from them. Microsoft has amazing customer service in comparison for its Live services, which is saying a LOT.
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    Pay for an Apps account. This gets you a live person to talk to and an SLA. Even if it's just one account on your personal domain (cost: $5/month), that alone makes it worth it. Shockingly, Google allocates their CS to people who pay for their service.
    - snuxoll 12y ago
      > Shockingly, Google allocates their CS to people who pay for their service. I don't expect 24x7 phone support for free services, but god damnit if my YouTube account gets shut down because of bullshit DMCA requests, or my AdSense account is closed because of fault algorithms suspecting bad-play I expect to have SOME recourse without needing to break out a lawyer and trying to take Google to court. I have used a wealth of free services and products in my lifetime and NONE have had such piss-poor excuses for support. > Pay for an Apps account. I'd rather not need to host my email with Google (another problem I have with their account system, you can no longer make a Google account that isn't a gmail account) just get proper support from them. Even then it doesn't get me support for anything but the Google Apps services, the rest of their support is still garbage.

snird 12y ago

Breaking up a company is a violent action. No one forced you to use their service, and they do not use violence or any kind of illegal actions to kill those who try to compete with them. Google simply are the biggest due to being the best. It's that simple. If you'll break up everyone who is too good, then what is the society we are walking toward in this situation?

pluma 12y ago
Being best at their own economical interests and being best at their customers' interests are not the same thing.
Retra 12y ago
So your idea of 'force' is just flexible enough to qualify regulation as violence, but a monopoly is still ok? Nobody forces a business to get big. Nobody forces a business to even exist.

ldng 12y ago

Paypal got repeatedly slapped on their wrist for similar behavior until they somewhat understood. Why don't you gather people to start a class action suit ? There are cases of true abuses but because it is "only" some few hundred dollars, people let go ... And Google keep the money. Reminds me a lot of a certain Paypal area.