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That is not an apt analogy at all and frankly I wish people would stop going out of their way to analogize things. The Internet has been around for a while now,

by boracay 12y ago

That is not an apt analogy at all and frankly I wish people would stop going out of their way to analogize things. The Internet has been around for a while now, so we should be able to see things, or at least discuss them, for what they are.

rayiner 12y ago
It's totally apt. Why is peeping into someone's window bad? It's because it's a violation of their privacy, and even if they don't know that someone is watching them, peoples' reaction to the prospect of that happening is enough to justify a social norm to dissuade such conduct. The operative mechanics,[1] are the same when it comes to looking at leaked pictures online. The act of looking doesn't metaphysically cause injury. It's the knowledge or the prospect of people looking. [1] And that's the value of analogies--not just to help us understand things that are novel in terms of the familiar, but to help us think about how things are similar or different, which helps us cut to the heart of why we think about a thing in a particular way.
- kazinator 12y ago
  Peeping into someone's window is bad because it is trespassing and harassment. Pictures do not passively "leak" online. Someone goes to the trouble of posting them. If that person didn't have permission to do so, they are the guilty party, not some random person who happens to see the picture, not even knowing who that picture is of. This is the same as if the peeping tom snapped photos, and then shared them. You're not automatically a wrongdoer just because you see such a thing. Pictures leaked before we had the Internet. Hello? We had scandals revolving around leaked photographs of famous people decades prior. Paparazzi also existed long before the Internet.
  - boracay 12y ago
    If anything sexualizing and dehumanizing celebrities is the cultural norm. Which isn't about the Internet per se. How cloud providers can have zero liability though...
  - rayiner 12y ago
    So if the victim doesn't know (can't be harassment), it's just trespassing, I.e. As bad as cutting across someone's lawn? I don't think your explanation captures the psychology here.
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by boracay 12y ago

rayiner 12y ago

It's totally apt. Why is peeping into someone's window bad? It's because it's a violation of their privacy, and even if they don't know that someone is watching them, peoples' reaction to the prospect of that happening is enough to justify a social norm to dissuade such conduct. The operative mechanics,[1] are the same when it comes to looking at leaked pictures online. The act of looking doesn't metaphysically cause injury. It's the knowledge or the prospect of people looking. [1] And that's the value of analogies--not just to help us understand things that are novel in terms of the familiar, but to help us think about how things are similar or different, which helps us cut to the heart of why we think about a thing in a particular way.

kazinator 12y ago
Peeping into someone's window is bad because it is trespassing and harassment. Pictures do not passively "leak" online. Someone goes to the trouble of posting them. If that person didn't have permission to do so, they are the guilty party, not some random person who happens to see the picture, not even knowing who that picture is of. This is the same as if the peeping tom snapped photos, and then shared them. You're not automatically a wrongdoer just because you see such a thing. Pictures leaked before we had the Internet. Hello? We had scandals revolving around leaked photographs of famous people decades prior. Paparazzi also existed long before the Internet.
- boracay 12y ago
  If anything sexualizing and dehumanizing celebrities is the cultural norm. Which isn't about the Internet per se. How cloud providers can have zero liability though...
- rayiner 12y ago
  So if the victim doesn't know (can't be harassment), it's just trespassing, I.e. As bad as cutting across someone's lawn? I don't think your explanation captures the psychology here.
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