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In all the discussion about Silicon Valley and why no place else has been able to have quite so much success in high tech, subtle cultural issues can be underem
by WildUtah 12y ago
In all the discussion about Silicon Valley and why no place else has been able to have quite so much success in high tech, subtle cultural issues can be underemphasized because they aren't easily quantified. This attitude toward freedom of speech and data in the EU is one reason why startups don't prosper as well there.
For a society to allow and even encourage independent people to create new ways to collaborate with data is risky to existing powers. Most societies place restrictions on who can know or say things and then impose severe consequences on the people about whom those things are said. Sometimes the restrictions and consequences are informal. There may be a strong norm against sharing data or gossiping or spying or publishing. There may be a strong sense of reputation or face or a presumption that bad things said about you make you a bad person and unemployable.
The EU is a place where people have lived with the idea that central authorities can tell individuals what to say or not say for a long time. The large news and data institutions and churches have strong links to the state and individuals are not expected to be able to make choices about information for themselves. Political parties are routinely banned and prosecuted solely for disagreeing with ruling parties; elected officials have been prosecuted and jailed in France and the Netherlands in this decade merely for being leaders of the minority parties in their national and EU legislatures. [0] A certain confidence that anything officially published is endorsed by powerful people lingers weakly as a result. People don't like small companies, startups, individuals controlling data as a result.
China and Japan are the same, though each in its own way, of course, just as each European culture is different.
But America is an outlier. We trust our government and newspapers less. We expect authorities' pronouncements to have less effect on our prospects and reputations. We share data freely and expect that people can gossip about us freely with limited consequences. We even expect a certain amount of lying to go on without being prohibited, though it upsets us more because we've developed stronger norms against it than nations where authorities are expected to have the power routinely to deceive the people like the EU.
And in tech, where information is everything, that cultural approbation for data is deeply though subtly influential. It's one of the many things that make US startups and especially Silicon Valley ones more successful.
Which isn't to day that this EU decision is a bad thing for startups. It's bad for Google, but that's not all startups. It creates an opening for an American company to provide a search engine that fills in Google's EU gaps. EU companies might be able to find ways to exploit it, too.
It does reflect one of the cultural advantages of Silicon Valley, though. Along with the esteem for entrepreneurs, openness to failure, flexible job market, and network effects, freedom of speech is a business advantage in tech.
[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Geert_Wilders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Geert_Wilders
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/marine-le-pen-immunity-lifted http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/marine-le-pen-i...
- Coding_Cat 12y ago//Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I can not find a source on Marine Le Pen actually being convicted, but Wilders was not. He was charged, however this only happened after enough citizens pressed charges: initially the public prosecutor declined to do so until they were forced to do so (Dutch law allows victims to fight the prosecutions decision to not press charges). It came to a long trial (he was charged for inciting hate/violence) and the court ruled that he was not guilty, but said it was on the edge of legality. Basically, it is (legally) okay to say that the Quran incites hate in people, or that middle-eastern immigrants hold backwards customs which clash with Dutch tradition. That is considered part of public discourse. But you are not allowed to then say "And therefore we need to remove them all, by force if necessary" as now you are inciting violence. Furthermore, Wilders was at the time (unfortunately imho) not the leader of a "minority party" see for example this: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabinet-Rutte_I#mediaviewer/File:ZetelsRutte-metPVV.svg http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabinet-Rutte_I#mediaviewer/Fil... It shows the distribution of seats in the Dutch Parliment. PVV is Wilders' party, 'rest' is the remaining parties.
- kybernetikos 12y ago> This attitude toward freedom of speech and data in the EU is one reason why startups don't prosper as well there. This is the sort of assertion (along with quite a few others in your comment) which seems likely to be merely a nice story. To actually believe that it's true, I'd want to see evidence. In particular, your idea that concerns with privacy are due to people trusting government more in the EU than in the USA seems entirely wrong headed. The concern for privacy in Germany comes from a distrust of centralised data collection because they have experienced it and know how bad it gets, not because they feel more comfortable with data controlled by the government.