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Every OTHER form of transportation... Certainly does not stop at every red light. Specifically pedestrians. Bikes are more maneuverable and faster than pedestr

Every OTHER form of transportation... Certainly does not stop at every red light. Specifically pedestrians. Bikes are more maneuverable and faster than pedestrians while decreasing safety only by the slightest margin if even any. I honestly don't see the problem. Also I think it's important to note that there is no term for "safely crossing an intersection even though the light is red." That and blowing through indiscriminately are both referred to as "running" which I think contributes to a large problem in perception.

genericuser 12y ago
As someone that has had to come to some pretty abrupt stops because bikes darted out into intersections from behind cars while they had a red light and I had a green turn arrow. I disagree. I am in Boston not NYC but there is one intersection I go through in my daily commute where this happens at least once a month, and the first couple times it happened was nearly bad.
- shittyanalogy 12y ago
  Some people are reckless, ticketing those of us that will stop when a police officer puts his arm out isn't going to stop the reckless.
  - genericuser 12y ago
    True but ticketing the reckless ones is needed, and the fact there are reckless ones, enough that I encounter them regularly at the same intersection(its a really long light) indicates to me it should be enforced. So I was disagreeing with your belief that "while decreasing safety only by the slightest margin if even any. I honestly don't see the problem."
    - shittyanalogy 12y ago
      Many highway chases are called off because chasing the most dangerous people puts more people in danger than it's worth. It's an unfortunate reality but you can't discourage the extremely reckless by punishing the mildly.
smackfu 12y ago
How about a car example: If there is a four-way stop, and a car runs a stop sign because they can see there is no one else waiting, should they be ticketed? This is a case where if something is done relatively infrequently, it is quite safe. But once it becomes common, it is very unsafe. A lot of other traffic laws are the same.
- shittyanalogy 12y ago
  Cars kill people often. Bikes extremely rarely do.

genericuser 12y ago

As someone that has had to come to some pretty abrupt stops because bikes darted out into intersections from behind cars while they had a red light and I had a green turn arrow. I disagree. I am in Boston not NYC but there is one intersection I go through in my daily commute where this happens at least once a month, and the first couple times it happened was nearly bad.

shittyanalogy 12y ago
Some people are reckless, ticketing those of us that will stop when a police officer puts his arm out isn't going to stop the reckless.
- genericuser 12y ago
  True but ticketing the reckless ones is needed, and the fact there are reckless ones, enough that I encounter them regularly at the same intersection(its a really long light) indicates to me it should be enforced. So I was disagreeing with your belief that "while decreasing safety only by the slightest margin if even any. I honestly don't see the problem."
  - shittyanalogy 12y ago
    Many highway chases are called off because chasing the most dangerous people puts more people in danger than it's worth. It's an unfortunate reality but you can't discourage the extremely reckless by punishing the mildly.

smackfu 12y ago

How about a car example: If there is a four-way stop, and a car runs a stop sign because they can see there is no one else waiting, should they be ticketed? This is a case where if something is done relatively infrequently, it is quite safe. But once it becomes common, it is very unsafe. A lot of other traffic laws are the same.

shittyanalogy 12y ago
Cars kill people often. Bikes extremely rarely do.