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Extortion is a weird, upsetting crime. It seems to be a waste product or high-entropy end state in a stagnant economic system. First, the powerful extort const
by michaelochurch 12y ago
Extortion is a weird, upsetting crime. It seems to be a waste product or high-entropy end state in a stagnant economic system.
First, the powerful extort constantly. When VCs use their social connections to other VCs (the culture of co-funding) to pull the "we'll turn off the whole Valley" card, also known as "the reputation threat", and get people to sign bad term sheets, that's extortion. Most bad reference and negative reputation issues that exist in the Valley come from people who refused to be extorted. But when people in power do it, they don't call it "extortion". They call it "power".
Likewise, most people who acquire power did so by extortion. Not in the hold-up sense, but by happening into important information on powerful people and being able to leverage it into the investment of said powerful people in their careers. All that said, it takes a certain social skill to pull off. You can't just send an email saying, "I know <X> and will release it unless you provide <Y>, <Z>, and <W>." You'll piss that person off, and it's a felony, and even though you'll probably never do jail time (because the extortion target still doesn't want "X" to see daylight) that person now holds the cards. You have to be really subtle and it's best if the extortion threat is unsaid. One of the reasons why fraternity affiliations are so powerful is the implied mutual extortion that comes from living together for 3-4 years at a time of life in which people tend to be impulsive and do incredibly stupid things that their adult selves will regret.
If you're in the same frat, you're bound to have dirt on that person, and if that person becomes powerful, you'll cash in. If you say, "I'll reveal <X> unless you <Y>" you won't get anything, and you could end up in jail... but if it's a tacit agreement, that person will support your career in perpetuity. Perversely, the network effect of this tacit, mutual extortion is positive for the group of people it covers because it spreads good fortune around.
Extortion seems to be a by-product of stagnation, because it's the ultimate zero-sum activity. It's what people start doing to each other when they give up on new contribution. Oddly, the frat culture (for all its ugliness) seems to be an adaptation to this because, while it creates a low-level tacit extortion field, it also prepares people to handle external extortions (from "the proles" who "have no right") and to exercise power (cough extort others).
What's strange about this rash of online extortions is that it seems to be coming at a time when, objectively, there shouldn't be a sense of economic stagnation. There are, arguably, more opportunities for positive-sum contribution than there ever were. But the social distance between capital and effort/talent has never been greater, especially on a global scale, so that might explain the problem.
- IndianAstronaut 12y agoWhat sort of extortion activities do VCs engage in?
- michaelochurch 12y agoIt comes out of the culture of co-funding. If you claim to VC Tom that you have other interest from VC Bob, Tom is going to call Bob and believe his word over yours, which is morally wrong. It means that they're colluding rather than competing, which means they fund (or decline to fund) as a group. That gives VCs lasting power over founders' reputations and their companies. They're no longer passive investors, but actively able to turn off interest in other firms that ought to be competitors. Which means that VCs are no longer competing for deals, but colluding as a group and competing against founders. Obviously, the extortion is rarely explicitly spelled out, but it's implied in the ability to "pick up a phone" and blackball a founder.
- rfergie 12y ago> Tom is going to call Bob and believe his word over yours, which is morally wrong Just to be clear here - are you are saying that Tom calling Bob is morally wrong? Or that Tom believing Bob over you is morally wrong? The former makes sense to me as it is collusion rather than competition. The latter not so much
- michaelochurch 12y agoThe former. Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's not like Tom can "unhear" Bob once the call is made.
- IndianAstronaut 12y agoOh wow, I am very surprised nothing has been done about this. People in the bay are very politically active.
- viggity 12y agoI was in a fraternity. Did some people do some stupid shit, sure, it was college after all. But I have a hard time seeing how any crazy extortion schemes would come into play as you described. I don't know how I could extort a brother because I once saw him puke in the street or streak thru campus. For someone as prolific on HN as you, I'm surprised to see you come off as a conspiracy nut. Or, maybe me living in the midwest where everyone is nice and cooperative in general has given me a warped view of the world (albeit a positive view).