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> You just want them now. If you needed them, you'd pay what it costs to get them. We do. We've literally never had an offer rejected. The problem is just that

> You just want them now. If you needed them, you'd pay what it costs to get them. We do. We've literally never had an offer rejected. The problem is just that there simply isn't a supply of candidates worth making offers to. As for this nonsense that we should somehow be training developers 10 years from now, that's just ridiculous. 95% of startups won't last 10 years and if we build our whole HR strategy on a 10 year pipeline we'd be dead.

rskar 12y ago
Your HR strategy is already dead. Over-biased on the desire for the "senior/experienced developers". Meaning that your organization and the thousand others like yours perpetually create this apparent "shortage," since all "senior/experienced" had to start as "new college & bootcamp grads". Since there are rather few moments where organizations are willing to take the chances on the "college & bootcamp" types, there will of course be fewer moments where future "senior/experienced" ones are sown.
- vonmoltke 12y ago
  Hell, screw "college & bootcamp" types: how about engineers like me, who have 10 years of valuable but unconventional/niche experience? I can't get the time of day from any of these companies bitching and moaning about "shortages"[1] because I don't have the right buzzwords in my background. I'm right here, I'm willing to move almost anywhere for an embedded development position, and I'm being ignored. [1] I could be wrong on this; the companies I am trying to contact may not be the ones whining. Reading the conversation here and at /r/cscareerquestions though gives one the impression that this is a pervasive problem.
  - morgante 12y ago
    > I'm willing to move almost anywhere for an embedded development position There's the problem. There just aren't that many people looking for embedded software developers. The companies complaining about a shortage are mostly building web & mobile software—if you were willing to consider that field, I'm sure more opportunities would open up.

rskar 12y ago

Your HR strategy is already dead. Over-biased on the desire for the "senior/experienced developers". Meaning that your organization and the thousand others like yours perpetually create this apparent "shortage," since all "senior/experienced" had to start as "new college & bootcamp grads". Since there are rather few moments where organizations are willing to take the chances on the "college & bootcamp" types, there will of course be fewer moments where future "senior/experienced" ones are sown.

vonmoltke 12y ago
Hell, screw "college & bootcamp" types: how about engineers like me, who have 10 years of valuable but unconventional/niche experience? I can't get the time of day from any of these companies bitching and moaning about "shortages"[1] because I don't have the right buzzwords in my background. I'm right here, I'm willing to move almost anywhere for an embedded development position, and I'm being ignored. [1] I could be wrong on this; the companies I am trying to contact may not be the ones whining. Reading the conversation here and at /r/cscareerquestions though gives one the impression that this is a pervasive problem.
- morgante 12y ago
  > I'm willing to move almost anywhere for an embedded development position There's the problem. There just aren't that many people looking for embedded software developers. The companies complaining about a shortage are mostly building web & mobile software—if you were willing to consider that field, I'm sure more opportunities would open up.