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Yeah, it will work, and a checklist will not convince me otherwise. I also don't believe I can make money off of it, I was looking for opinions on if a Kickstar

Yeah, it will work, and a checklist will not convince me otherwise. I also don't believe I can make money off of it, I was looking for opinions on if a Kickstarter would work to help me speed things up, but I never even considered using it to earn money beyond that. Yes, these projects usually go nowhere, but mine won't. I think a detailed conversation is much less condescending and much more enlightening than a checklist that is wrong on several points, such as that I am trying to make a language faster than C, and that I believe people will pay me for it (at least beyond a query on if donations was a potential idea). Also I intentionally left a lot vague as right now I am seeking opinions and not ready to unveil all of my ideas, in another year check back and by then I will have a much more detailed description.

smt88 12y ago
Seriously. Check out Scala. You seem to agree that FP and OOP are not mutually exclusive, and Scala has already unified them in a widely-praised language. It's a complicated language and therefore may not be very productive, but it's considered to be well-thought-out for the most part. Also, the checklist was condescending, but the point that syntax is not what makes programming slow/difficult is totally correct. The time lost in learning/using a toy language is far greater than the time lost in using a steaming pile of garbage like JavaScript. Actually programming isn't even the biggest use of time as a software engineer -- learning code and dealing with people are.
- KittenLanguage 12y ago
  Thanks for your input. I disagree with a lot of Hacker News on syntax though. Syntax can be learned and is not a hurdle for anyone who is seriously into programming, but I believe it keeps people away from programming who would be interested otherwise. I also think that readability is more important than writeability since maintenance is so important with any big project, and syntax is a piece of readability (though only a piece). I agree other things beyond syntax are more important though, but I think I have enough interesting pieces of ideas that I want to put them all together and see what the big picture looks like. Perhaps it will stay a toy language, or perhaps it will grow beyond it. Some of those ideas I haven't written down here either. One in particular that gives it hope for evolving beyond a toy language is a way to write small wrappers around C code to link it into Kitten code, so with a small amount of effort all of the impressive Microsoft libraries should be accessible for Windows computers at least. I'll have to check out Scala, I don't know much about it. Also a couple languages I am really interested in right now are Nim and Crystal, a lot of my ideas share a lot with those two newer languages, a more static-y compile to C language than most newer languages.

smt88 12y ago

Seriously. Check out Scala. You seem to agree that FP and OOP are not mutually exclusive, and Scala has already unified them in a widely-praised language. It's a complicated language and therefore may not be very productive, but it's considered to be well-thought-out for the most part. Also, the checklist was condescending, but the point that syntax is not what makes programming slow/difficult is totally correct. The time lost in learning/using a toy language is far greater than the time lost in using a steaming pile of garbage like JavaScript. Actually programming isn't even the biggest use of time as a software engineer -- learning code and dealing with people are.

KittenLanguage 12y ago
Thanks for your input. I disagree with a lot of Hacker News on syntax though. Syntax can be learned and is not a hurdle for anyone who is seriously into programming, but I believe it keeps people away from programming who would be interested otherwise. I also think that readability is more important than writeability since maintenance is so important with any big project, and syntax is a piece of readability (though only a piece). I agree other things beyond syntax are more important though, but I think I have enough interesting pieces of ideas that I want to put them all together and see what the big picture looks like. Perhaps it will stay a toy language, or perhaps it will grow beyond it. Some of those ideas I haven't written down here either. One in particular that gives it hope for evolving beyond a toy language is a way to write small wrappers around C code to link it into Kitten code, so with a small amount of effort all of the impressive Microsoft libraries should be accessible for Windows computers at least. I'll have to check out Scala, I don't know much about it. Also a couple languages I am really interested in right now are Nim and Crystal, a lot of my ideas share a lot with those two newer languages, a more static-y compile to C language than most newer languages.