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People shriek because Apple isn't giving the device owner any option to get around the security if they want to. Apple aren't using that model just for securit

People shriek because Apple isn't giving the device owner any option to get around the security if they want to. Apple aren't using that model just for security, but also so they can tightly control the platform and restrict what the device owner can do on it.

x0x0 12y ago
on my mac: apple -> system preferences security + privacy General tab Under "allow apps downloaded from:" * Anywhere As for ios, if you don't believe that users would click "yes" to whatever dialogue was required to make an app run, you simply don't interact with users. Allowing users to opt-out defeats the purpose. For example, my so's mother regularly gets her gmail hacked because she will respond to any google-skinned input box asking for her password. The only way to secure the majority of users is to not allow them through their actions to un-secure themselves. Why is it ok on mac? Because many computer users are still dependent on non-appstore distributed software. Particularly developers. Nobody has evolved that dependency on ios, so it's not necessary.
- Perdition 12y ago
  > As for ios, if you don't believe that users would click "yes" to whatever dialogue was required to make an app run, you simply don't interact with users. Allowing users to opt-out defeats the purpose. It does not require "Click here to get owned" level of work around. I'm perfectly fine with needing to boot into the equivalent of single user mode and entering some security key. But if I want to break the security model on a device I own I should be able to. > Why is it ok on mac? Because many computer users are still dependent on non-appstore distributed software. Particularly developers. Nobody has evolved that dependency on ios, so it's not necessary. That is circular reasoning. The "dependency" doesn't exist on iOS because Apple tries very hard to prevent non-appstore distribution being a viable avenue for app developers.
janfoeh 12y ago
> People shriek because Apple isn't giving the device owner any option to get around the security if they want to. You are misinformed. Right click -> Open instead of double click overrides my current signing requirements and executes the app anyway.
- hueving 12y ago
  Where do I right click on my iPhone?
- Perdition 12y ago
  I was talking about iOS. I've never heard anyone "shriek" about this issue in regards to OSX.

x0x0 12y ago

on my mac: apple -> system preferences security + privacy General tab Under "allow apps downloaded from:" * Anywhere As for ios, if you don't believe that users would click "yes" to whatever dialogue was required to make an app run, you simply don't interact with users. Allowing users to opt-out defeats the purpose. For example, my so's mother regularly gets her gmail hacked because she will respond to any google-skinned input box asking for her password. The only way to secure the majority of users is to not allow them through their actions to un-secure themselves. Why is it ok on mac? Because many computer users are still dependent on non-appstore distributed software. Particularly developers. Nobody has evolved that dependency on ios, so it's not necessary.

Perdition 12y ago
> As for ios, if you don't believe that users would click "yes" to whatever dialogue was required to make an app run, you simply don't interact with users. Allowing users to opt-out defeats the purpose. It does not require "Click here to get owned" level of work around. I'm perfectly fine with needing to boot into the equivalent of single user mode and entering some security key. But if I want to break the security model on a device I own I should be able to. > Why is it ok on mac? Because many computer users are still dependent on non-appstore distributed software. Particularly developers. Nobody has evolved that dependency on ios, so it's not necessary. That is circular reasoning. The "dependency" doesn't exist on iOS because Apple tries very hard to prevent non-appstore distribution being a viable avenue for app developers.

janfoeh 12y ago

> People shriek because Apple isn't giving the device owner any option to get around the security if they want to. You are misinformed. Right click -> Open instead of double click overrides my current signing requirements and executes the app anyway.

hueving 12y ago
Where do I right click on my iPhone?
Perdition 12y ago
I was talking about iOS. I've never heard anyone "shriek" about this issue in regards to OSX.