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My whole point is that medieval gives the false impression that he was a European astronomer.

by KhalilK 12y ago

acqq 12y ago
What do you suggest as the proper (for the purposes of the title, western-known) name of the period when al-Kāshī lived then? He obviously hasn't lived in the western-named and western-bound "Islamic Golden Age", being born a century later. Note that the goal is to convey the time period, not the geographical location. Edit: see also how Wikipedia names that period of Persian history (my next answer for links): "Middle Ages."
- KhalilK 12y ago
  then? It is not by the process of elimination that we'd get the precise era in which Al-Kāshi lived. If either of us is to tolerate a certain degree of imprecision (for me that medieval concerns not only Europe and for you that the Islamic Golden Age is not a fixed time interval) then we'll come to a understanding, other than that, I think there is not a proper name of that period. Edit: Note that the goal is to convey the time period, not the geographical location. When it comes to history those two are inter-dependent you cannot make a random choice of words.
  - acqq 12y ago
    It's not a random choice, it's a well established practice, even for non-European regions. al-Kāshī was born in Persia in 1380: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamsh%C4%ABd_al-K%C4%81sh%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamsh%C4%ABd_al-K%C4%81sh%C4%AB That period in Persian history is in Wikipedia named "Middle Ages (652–1501)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.931501.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.9... That name ("medieval", meaning simply "middle ages") is also used to denote a period in the history of Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan#Medieval_Japan_.281185.E2.80.931573.2F1600.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan#Medieval_Japan... "The medieval or "feudal" period of Japanese history, dominated by the powerful regional families (daimyō) and the military rule of warlords (shōgun), stretched from 1185 to 1573/1600"
    - KhalilK 12y ago
      I might stand corrected, BUT: "The Middle Ages was a period in Western history spanning the time from the 5th to the 16th century"[0] and "Middle Ages, the European historical period from the 5th to the 15th century (476-1453). By analogy, the term is also used to refer to periods in nations outside of Europe having similarities in social and military development"[0] Iran, even during that period of Islamic rule , is far from similar to Europe on both the social and military level. 0.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation)
      - acqq 12y ago
        On the very page you link at the moment ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) ) it is also explicitly stated that the term is used for other regions too: "Medieval or Mediaeval (the adjectival form of "Middle Ages") may refer to: Middle Ages, the European historical period from the 5th to the 15th century (476-1453). By analogy, the term is also used to refer to periods in nations outside of Europe having similarities in social and military development." So using it for other regions is common. One of these regions is actually Iran. I already gave link that the term is actually used in history of Persia (today known as Iran, the page in Wikipedia is named "Iran," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.931501.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.9... ) for the period 652–1501.
        KhalilK 12y ago
        So using it for other regions is common Given that these regions are "having similarities in social and military development". I was suggesting that the use of the term may not have been accurate given the fact Iran was different from Europe. Nonetheless, Al-Kāshī(1380-1429) lived under Timurid dynasty (1370–1507)[0] succeeding Iran's "Middle Ages" making him thus, not an "Iranian medieval" astronomer. 0.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran#Timurid_dynasty_.281370.E2.80.931507.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran#Timurid_dynasty...
- SixSigma 12y ago
  How a 15thC Iranian mathematician did trig.

My whole point is that medieval gives the false impression that he was a European astronomer.

by KhalilK 12y ago

My whole point is that medieval gives the false impression that he was a European astronomer.

acqq 12y ago

What do you suggest as the proper (for the purposes of the title, western-known) name of the period when al-Kāshī lived then? He obviously hasn't lived in the western-named and western-bound "Islamic Golden Age", being born a century later. Note that the goal is to convey the time period, not the geographical location. Edit: see also how Wikipedia names that period of Persian history (my next answer for links): "Middle Ages."

KhalilK 12y ago
then? It is not by the process of elimination that we'd get the precise era in which Al-Kāshi lived. If either of us is to tolerate a certain degree of imprecision (for me that medieval concerns not only Europe and for you that the Islamic Golden Age is not a fixed time interval) then we'll come to a understanding, other than that, I think there is not a proper name of that period. Edit: Note that the goal is to convey the time period, not the geographical location. When it comes to history those two are inter-dependent you cannot make a random choice of words.
- acqq 12y ago
  It's not a random choice, it's a well established practice, even for non-European regions. al-Kāshī was born in Persia in 1380: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamsh%C4%ABd_al-K%C4%81sh%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamsh%C4%ABd_al-K%C4%81sh%C4%AB That period in Persian history is in Wikipedia named "Middle Ages (652–1501)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.931501.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.9... That name ("medieval", meaning simply "middle ages") is also used to denote a period in the history of Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan#Medieval_Japan_.281185.E2.80.931573.2F1600.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan#Medieval_Japan... "The medieval or "feudal" period of Japanese history, dominated by the powerful regional families (daimyō) and the military rule of warlords (shōgun), stretched from 1185 to 1573/1600"
  - KhalilK 12y ago
    I might stand corrected, BUT: "The Middle Ages was a period in Western history spanning the time from the 5th to the 16th century"[0] and "Middle Ages, the European historical period from the 5th to the 15th century (476-1453). By analogy, the term is also used to refer to periods in nations outside of Europe having similarities in social and military development"[0] Iran, even during that period of Islamic rule , is far from similar to Europe on both the social and military level. 0.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation)
    - acqq 12y ago
      On the very page you link at the moment ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages_(disambiguation) ) it is also explicitly stated that the term is used for other regions too: "Medieval or Mediaeval (the adjectival form of "Middle Ages") may refer to: Middle Ages, the European historical period from the 5th to the 15th century (476-1453). By analogy, the term is also used to refer to periods in nations outside of Europe having similarities in social and military development." So using it for other regions is common. One of these regions is actually Iran. I already gave link that the term is actually used in history of Persia (today known as Iran, the page in Wikipedia is named "Iran," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.931501.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Middle_Ages_.28652.E2.80.9... ) for the period 652–1501.
      - KhalilK 12y ago
        So using it for other regions is common Given that these regions are "having similarities in social and military development". I was suggesting that the use of the term may not have been accurate given the fact Iran was different from Europe. Nonetheless, Al-Kāshī(1380-1429) lived under Timurid dynasty (1370–1507)[0] succeeding Iran's "Middle Ages" making him thus, not an "Iranian medieval" astronomer. 0.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran#Timurid_dynasty_.281370.E2.80.931507.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran#Timurid_dynasty...
SixSigma 12y ago
How a 15thC Iranian mathematician did trig.