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Indeed. This thread should really be titled OpenBSD vs. Linux. I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as

Indeed. This thread should really be titled OpenBSD vs. Linux. I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Just like Linux taught me to appreciate FreeBSD, FreeBSD taught me to appreciate OpenBSD. OpenBSD -- the world's simplest and most secure Unix-like OS. Creator of the world's most used SSH implementation OpenSSH, the world's most elegant firewall PF, the world's most elegant mail server OpenSMTPD, and the OpenSSL rewrite LibreSSL. OpenBSD -- the cleanest kernel, the cleanest userland and the cleanest configuration syntax. FreeBSD -- growing overly complex [1], lagging on security [2], packing itself with unnecessary, experimental technologies, and representing itself with a satanic mascot and a shiny, dildo-looking logo. -- [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-January/037294.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-Janu... [2] http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-freebsd-playing-catch-up-says-de-raadt http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-...

ewbuoi 12y ago
It's just too bad they don't support ZFS or any similar filesystem. Their reasoning makes a lot of sense, but there are a lot of useful features that would be nice to have.
knob 12y ago
Personally, I love FreeBSD's beastie. Don't care much if it is "satanical" or whatnot.
- the_why_of_y 12y ago
  Beastie was much better than the new logo that looks like a shiny bauble.
the_why_of_y 12y ago
> I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Maybe the first, but these articles claim Fedora can do it too, although currently you need to edit a config file, and it only works if you invoke startx(1), not when logging in from gdm. http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html
- ajs124 12y ago
  I really don't want to be _that_ guy that brings up archlinux, but… "X is now rootless with the help of systemd-logind, this also means that it must be launched from the same virtual terminal as was used to log in, redirecting stderr also breaks rootless login. […]" https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-available/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-availa... This is obviously not a feature of archlinux itself, but an upstream x.org feature.
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icarot 12y ago
C'mon, this unimpressive feature is the default in Arch for a while now. Attempting to talk about "Linux", as if some single operating system - lack of pluralism between commenters to handle the differences notwithstanding - is a problem with this thread.

ewbuoi 12y ago

It's just too bad they don't support ZFS or any similar filesystem. Their reasoning makes a lot of sense, but there are a lot of useful features that would be nice to have.

knob 12y ago

Personally, I love FreeBSD's beastie. Don't care much if it is "satanical" or whatnot.

the_why_of_y 12y ago
Beastie was much better than the new logo that looks like a shiny bauble.

the_why_of_y 12y ago

> I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Maybe the first, but these articles claim Fedora can do it too, although currently you need to edit a config file, and it only works if you invoke startx(1), not when logging in from gdm. http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html

ajs124 12y ago
I really don't want to be _that_ guy that brings up archlinux, but… "X is now rootless with the help of systemd-logind, this also means that it must be launched from the same virtual terminal as was used to log in, redirecting stderr also breaks rootless login. […]" https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-available/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-availa... This is obviously not a feature of archlinux itself, but an upstream x.org feature.

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icarot 12y ago

C'mon, this unimpressive feature is the default in Arch for a while now. Attempting to talk about "Linux", as if some single operating system - lack of pluralism between commenters to handle the differences notwithstanding - is a problem with this thread.