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Yes your right. But i'm swiss, so a lot of countries dont really feel democratic to me:) Not enough power for the people – too much for those elected. On the o

by smoe 12y ago

Yes your right. But i'm swiss, so a lot of countries dont really feel democratic to me:) Not enough power for the people – too much for those elected. On the other hand, we, the people are soon to vote whether Switzerland should terminate european human rights contracts. It's insanely democratic and it scares the shit out of me because it might actually get a majority. You can shoot yourself in the foot with too much democracy.

lifeisstillgood 12y ago
I thought the UK was the only one insane enough to think human rights were a pick and mix. I recommend Conor Gearty on why the Uk should not pull out (LSE podcasts on iTunes)
- smoe 12y ago
  We're not directly voting against it. The referendum is carefully titled "Swiss law before foreign law" which would include the human right convention among every international law. The Advocates emotionally argue that the swiss should never be dictated by foreign judges, we can perfectly handle everything ourselves. Unfortunately a lot of people in Switzerland live on ivory towers, thinking their better than everybody else on the planet and agree with that statement. The right wing fear machinery fed with millions of donation money has really poisoned the political climate over the last decade. Whether you agree with their points, a system like ours, where basically every citizen can trigger a nation wide vote about almost anything (e.g. reintroduction of death penalty) only works if the debates are driven by reason, not populism. The other parties recently jumped on the same train, saying it's the only way to defend against those scare mongers … sigh I still love our system, it gives the people not only power but also a sense of responsibility. It's not the government that fucked things up – you did. But it doesn't make a country completely immune to dedicated actors with enough influence and money like many believe.
  - digi_owl 12y ago
    The modern marketing machine has indeed done a number on democracy. And with marketing being related to money, and money invariably congregating on the right, well...

by smoe 12y ago

lifeisstillgood 12y ago

I thought the UK was the only one insane enough to think human rights were a pick and mix. I recommend Conor Gearty on why the Uk should not pull out (LSE podcasts on iTunes)

smoe 12y ago
We're not directly voting against it. The referendum is carefully titled "Swiss law before foreign law" which would include the human right convention among every international law. The Advocates emotionally argue that the swiss should never be dictated by foreign judges, we can perfectly handle everything ourselves. Unfortunately a lot of people in Switzerland live on ivory towers, thinking their better than everybody else on the planet and agree with that statement. The right wing fear machinery fed with millions of donation money has really poisoned the political climate over the last decade. Whether you agree with their points, a system like ours, where basically every citizen can trigger a nation wide vote about almost anything (e.g. reintroduction of death penalty) only works if the debates are driven by reason, not populism. The other parties recently jumped on the same train, saying it's the only way to defend against those scare mongers … sigh I still love our system, it gives the people not only power but also a sense of responsibility. It's not the government that fucked things up – you did. But it doesn't make a country completely immune to dedicated actors with enough influence and money like many believe.
- digi_owl 12y ago
  The modern marketing machine has indeed done a number on democracy. And with marketing being related to money, and money invariably congregating on the right, well...