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"The money comes from various organizations, including AIDS foundations, the Friedrich Ebert Foundation and Protestant churches in Germany's Rhineland and Westp

by Danieru 12y ago

"The money comes from various organizations, including AIDS foundations, the Friedrich Ebert Foundation and Protestant churches in Germany's Rhineland and Westphalia regions." So this was straight up a cash infusion. I don't think anyone questions that if money gets injected into a local economy that this improves the standard of living. This isn't Basic Income, this is a new way to distribute aid. Still, congrats to the project it sounds like they are going good.

peteretep 12y ago
> This isn't Basic Income, this is a new way to distribute > aid. A way to distribute aid? As in unearned money and assets? Sounds like Basic Income to me...
- bdcs 12y ago
  It's called Unconditional Cash Transfers. It is BIG, except the money comes from a different country's citizens. My buddy at USAID can't stop raving about their efficacy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_cash_transfer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_cash_transfer
- sliverstorm 12y ago
  The difference is in a BI system like we usually talk about, the BI is funded by local taxes. In this case, foreign dollars were used to fund the cash grants, so your parent is arguing it's not a welfare-type BI system but simply a different form of aid distrubtion.
- baddox 12y ago
  Basic income is a way to redistribute wealth within a (relatively) closed system, not a way to distribute aid that is coming from outside a closed system.
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toomuchtodo 12y ago
> So this was straight up a cash infusion. Its very similar to welfare, unemployment insurance, and social security in the US though (without the added bureaucracy costs). The only difference is the funding source (an NGO instead of a government).
vidarh 12y ago
> I don't think anyone questions that if money gets injected into a local economy that this improves the standard of living Yet the article starts with just that claim, from a local farmer, and it is a common objection to aid programs that provides monetary aid from people who presumes that poor people are guilty of causing their own predicament. > This isn't Basic Income, this is a new way to distribute aid. It is both. The point is that that by not means testing the aid, and by providing it in predictable cash payments on a regular schedule instead of crisis aid, or doling out specific types of aid, such as health services or bags of rice, you obtain substantial benefits that you don't get through other types of aid programs.
scotty79 12y ago
> I don't think anyone questions that if money gets injected into a local economy that this improves the standard of living. That vastly depends on how the money is injected. If it's injected into two warring militant groups or effectively into the pockets of some local dictator or in general to local group that does harmfult things it will degrade average standard of living.

by Danieru 12y ago

peteretep 12y ago

> This isn't Basic Income, this is a new way to distribute > aid. A way to distribute aid? As in unearned money and assets? Sounds like Basic Income to me...

bdcs 12y ago
It's called Unconditional Cash Transfers. It is BIG, except the money comes from a different country's citizens. My buddy at USAID can't stop raving about their efficacy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_cash_transfer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_cash_transfer
sliverstorm 12y ago
The difference is in a BI system like we usually talk about, the BI is funded by local taxes. In this case, foreign dollars were used to fund the cash grants, so your parent is arguing it's not a welfare-type BI system but simply a different form of aid distrubtion.
baddox 12y ago
Basic income is a way to redistribute wealth within a (relatively) closed system, not a way to distribute aid that is coming from outside a closed system.
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toomuchtodo 12y ago

> So this was straight up a cash infusion. Its very similar to welfare, unemployment insurance, and social security in the US though (without the added bureaucracy costs). The only difference is the funding source (an NGO instead of a government).

vidarh 12y ago

> I don't think anyone questions that if money gets injected into a local economy that this improves the standard of living Yet the article starts with just that claim, from a local farmer, and it is a common objection to aid programs that provides monetary aid from people who presumes that poor people are guilty of causing their own predicament. > This isn't Basic Income, this is a new way to distribute aid. It is both. The point is that that by not means testing the aid, and by providing it in predictable cash payments on a regular schedule instead of crisis aid, or doling out specific types of aid, such as health services or bags of rice, you obtain substantial benefits that you don't get through other types of aid programs.

scotty79 12y ago

> I don't think anyone questions that if money gets injected into a local economy that this improves the standard of living. That vastly depends on how the money is injected. If it's injected into two warring militant groups or effectively into the pockets of some local dictator or in general to local group that does harmfult things it will degrade average standard of living.