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Thank you, I've been trying to figure out what the actual problem was for a while and was not having any luck. For those who haven't experienced this: it's rea

by byuu 12y ago

Thank you, I've been trying to figure out what the actual problem was for a while and was not having any luck. For those who haven't experienced this: it's really painful. Your entire desktop becomes completely unresponsive for 5-10 full seconds while a picture very slowly loads.

morganvachon 12y ago
FYI, this issue exists in PC-BSD too. I tend to use Chromium anyway and Firefox as a backup, so it doesn't bite me as much when I'm in that OS. But it's definitely a big one.
- tedunangst 12y ago
  This is why OpenBSD is the superior desktop operating system. Fixed months ago. :)
  - hiphopyo 12y ago
    Indeed. This thread should really be titled OpenBSD vs. Linux. I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Just like Linux taught me to appreciate FreeBSD, FreeBSD taught me to appreciate OpenBSD. OpenBSD -- the world's simplest and most secure Unix-like OS. Creator of the world's most used SSH implementation OpenSSH, the world's most elegant firewall PF, the world's most elegant mail server OpenSMTPD, and the OpenSSL rewrite LibreSSL. OpenBSD -- the cleanest kernel, the cleanest userland and the cleanest configuration syntax. FreeBSD -- growing overly complex [1], lagging on security [2], packing itself with unnecessary, experimental technologies, and representing itself with a satanic mascot and a shiny, dildo-looking logo. -- [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-January/037294.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-Janu... [2] http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-freebsd-playing-catch-up-says-de-raadt http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-...
    - ewbuoi 12y ago
      It's just too bad they don't support ZFS or any similar filesystem. Their reasoning makes a lot of sense, but there are a lot of useful features that would be nice to have.
    - knob 12y ago
      Personally, I love FreeBSD's beastie. Don't care much if it is "satanical" or whatnot.
      - the_why_of_y 12y ago
        Beastie was much better than the new logo that looks like a shiny bauble.
    - the_why_of_y 12y ago
      > I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Maybe the first, but these articles claim Fedora can do it too, although currently you need to edit a config file, and it only works if you invoke startx(1), not when logging in from gdm. http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html
      - ajs124 12y ago
        I really don't want to be _that_ guy that brings up archlinux, but… "X is now rootless with the help of systemd-logind, this also means that it must be launched from the same virtual terminal as was used to log in, redirecting stderr also breaks rootless login. […]" https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-available/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-availa... This is obviously not a feature of archlinux itself, but an upstream x.org feature.
    - deleted 12y ago
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    - icarot 12y ago
- byuu 12y ago
  Well, you can work around it (with no known downsides) by adding: export MOZ_DISABLE_IMAGE_OPTIMIZE=1 To the top of your ~/.xinitrc file. Kind of surprised PC-BSD doesn't do that for you. Probably should ask them to.
  - morganvachon 12y ago
    Surprisingly, PC-BSD doesn't generate a ~/.xinitrc file, I had to create one. I just put that line in mine, and restarted X. Seems to be working well, I loaded up a 4K image in Firefox with no stuttering, pausing, or other noticeable problems, and it definitely slowed the system to a crawl before making the change. Thanks!
  - tedunangst 12y ago
    IIRC that would sometimes lead to weird glitches like images with repeating static patterns, though perhaps those bugs have been fixed as well.
    - byuu 12y ago
      Might have in the past, I have yet to see any rendering glitches from it. Now, some of the about:config options that were proposed as alternate workarounds definitely caused very weird rendering glitches, but this one seems mostly side-effect free.
      - tedunangst 12y ago
        You're right. I was thinking of gfx xrender.
    - mveety 12y ago
      Bug still exists, but only shows up in fewer cases now.

by byuu 12y ago

morganvachon 12y ago

FYI, this issue exists in PC-BSD too. I tend to use Chromium anyway and Firefox as a backup, so it doesn't bite me as much when I'm in that OS. But it's definitely a big one.

tedunangst 12y ago
This is why OpenBSD is the superior desktop operating system. Fixed months ago. :)
- hiphopyo 12y ago
  Indeed. This thread should really be titled OpenBSD vs. Linux. I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Just like Linux taught me to appreciate FreeBSD, FreeBSD taught me to appreciate OpenBSD. OpenBSD -- the world's simplest and most secure Unix-like OS. Creator of the world's most used SSH implementation OpenSSH, the world's most elegant firewall PF, the world's most elegant mail server OpenSMTPD, and the OpenSSL rewrite LibreSSL. OpenBSD -- the cleanest kernel, the cleanest userland and the cleanest configuration syntax. FreeBSD -- growing overly complex [1], lagging on security [2], packing itself with unnecessary, experimental technologies, and representing itself with a satanic mascot and a shiny, dildo-looking logo. -- [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-January/037294.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-Janu... [2] http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-freebsd-playing-catch-up-says-de-raadt http://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62641-crypto-...
  - ewbuoi 12y ago
    It's just too bad they don't support ZFS or any similar filesystem. Their reasoning makes a lot of sense, but there are a lot of useful features that would be nice to have.
  - knob 12y ago
    Personally, I love FreeBSD's beastie. Don't care much if it is "satanical" or whatnot.
    - the_why_of_y 12y ago
      Beastie was much better than the new logo that looks like a shiny bauble.
  - the_why_of_y 12y ago
    > I'm sure most people here don't even know it's the only OS in the world allowing you run Xorg as an unprivileged user. Maybe the first, but these articles claim Fedora can do it too, although currently you need to edit a config file, and it only works if you invoke startx(1), not when logging in from gdm. http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14446.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html
    - ajs124 12y ago
      I really don't want to be _that_ guy that brings up archlinux, but… "X is now rootless with the help of systemd-logind, this also means that it must be launched from the same virtual terminal as was used to log in, redirecting stderr also breaks rootless login. […]" https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-available/ https://www.archlinux.org/news/xorg-server-116-is-now-availa... This is obviously not a feature of archlinux itself, but an upstream x.org feature.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - icarot 12y ago
byuu 12y ago
Well, you can work around it (with no known downsides) by adding: export MOZ_DISABLE_IMAGE_OPTIMIZE=1 To the top of your ~/.xinitrc file. Kind of surprised PC-BSD doesn't do that for you. Probably should ask them to.
- morganvachon 12y ago
  Surprisingly, PC-BSD doesn't generate a ~/.xinitrc file, I had to create one. I just put that line in mine, and restarted X. Seems to be working well, I loaded up a 4K image in Firefox with no stuttering, pausing, or other noticeable problems, and it definitely slowed the system to a crawl before making the change. Thanks!
- tedunangst 12y ago
  IIRC that would sometimes lead to weird glitches like images with repeating static patterns, though perhaps those bugs have been fixed as well.
  - byuu 12y ago
    Might have in the past, I have yet to see any rendering glitches from it. Now, some of the about:config options that were proposed as alternate workarounds definitely caused very weird rendering glitches, but this one seems mostly side-effect free.
    - tedunangst 12y ago
      You're right. I was thinking of gfx xrender.
  - mveety 12y ago
    Bug still exists, but only shows up in fewer cases now.