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> Material Design is well-regarded on mobile devices Says who? Isn't Lollypop all MD based? I've heard quite a bit of 'meh boring' reactions to it

by nly 12y ago

PaulHoule 12y ago
I just got Lollipop on my 2nd generation Nexus 7 and overall it seems like a downgrade instead of an upgrade.
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- 0xFFC 12y ago
  I don't have Android Lollipop and I am really curious , can you explain a little further?
  - PaulHoule 12y ago
    The new keyboard looks awful. There is some kind of network problem that causes 3 to 10 second latencies when I look up web pages at home with DSL but is not so bad at the gym with cable. I think DNS is involved. It used to be that a left hand swipe and a right hand swipe would bring up different menus but now I have to swipe multiple times to count through the menus. It's that kind of hamhanded design that make people think bigger devices are unwieldy
    - Gracana 12y ago
      On my first edition Nexus 7 it has slowed down everything considerably, it is borderline unbearable to use it for anything now, even just browsing web pages is an uncomfortable experience. The lagginess combined with the double-gestures required for unlocking and getting to settings is especially frustrating. I used to love this device, but now I feel like it's working against me.
    - redacted 12y ago
      While not your biggest issue by far: you can change the colour scheme of the Lollipop keyboard in its settings. "Material Dark" is a far more attractive setting (and I think the "Holo" settings will make it look like the older keyboard).
- prapam2 12y ago
  I have it on 2012 and 2013 N7 along with N4. Really pleased with it. My dad uses the 2012 N7 and he was wondering whether i got him a new device! And i really like the new keyboard. I think my mistakes have been reduced.
hackmiester 12y ago
I primarily have heard reactions to how buggy the OS is. I haven't heard many complaints about the design concepts.
- tracker1 12y ago
  I tend not to criticize design decisions unless they are just plain asinine... Mostly if it is more of a matter of taste vs comfort level. I won't reject new designs just because they are uncomfortable. There are only a handful of design changes in Android 5 that piss me off... I don't mind having email and gmail's apps combined. Two irksome things, is that the account switching circles are all but useless, I have 5 email apps, it only shows two bubbles, and there is no way to really tell which one is what. I can use the dropdown, but once you have more than two accounts, it should only show the dropdown picker. The second, is there doesn't seem to be a way to set an email as unread... I often will peak at a mail, and mark it unread to get back to. I know that inbox is working to get around things like this, but inbox really doesn't fit my workflow. Aside from that, the keyboard changes don't bug me. Even the double swipe for settings really isn't that bad. I really don't do much on my phone though... I removed facebook for shoving not one but two spyware apps down my throat, I removed most of the heavy battery offenders, and tend not to install apps that ask for permissions they have absolutely no need for... (flashlight apps that want sd and contact access, I get they need camera access for the flash)... It will really be an interesting few years as phones approach today's desktop capabilities... I think remote displays will be a next thing... car interfaces especially..
  - wodenokoto 12y ago
    So your main complaint is that it is not optimized for users with 5 different email apps? I have 3 on my iPhone, and I thought that is excessive.
    - tracker1 12y ago
      No, my complaint is that with more than two email accounts, you can't tell one from another on the menu screen... there's no point in having them displayed that way at all as opposed to just keeping the drop down.
andrewflnr 12y ago
'meh boring' is a lot better than 'oh god help me'. A lot.
- threeseed 12y ago
  But 'meh boring' is not the same as well-regarded.
  - ddoolin 12y ago
    Isn't the point of a good UI to not get in the way? If that's the case, then whether or not it's been well-regarded might be best determined by the "meh, boring" factor, regardless of how much users/critics/etc are aware of that fact.
    - andrewflnr 12y ago
      In other words, an absence of 'oh god help me' ought to be well-regarded if it isn't already. :)
alrs 12y ago
Android 5.0 breaks the Nook app and Twidere outright, and damages F-Droid. It's also crazy-slow. Avoid, for now.
- andybak 12y ago
  Crazy slow on what? My Nexus 5 is as fast as always - possibly even slightly nippier.
  - achamayou 12y ago
    The animations feel slower than they did before, but it's apparently a deliberate choice, not a performance issue. Scaling them at .5x in the Dev Options menu make the whole UI feel much snappier on my Nexus 5.

> Material Design is well-regarded on mobile devices Says who? Isn't Lollypop all MD based? I've heard quite a bit of 'meh boring' reactions to it

by nly 12y ago

> Material Design is well-regarded on mobile devices Says who? Isn't Lollypop all MD based? I've heard quite a bit of 'meh boring' reactions to it

PaulHoule 12y ago

I just got Lollipop on my 2nd generation Nexus 7 and overall it seems like a downgrade instead of an upgrade.

deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
0xFFC 12y ago
I don't have Android Lollipop and I am really curious , can you explain a little further?
- PaulHoule 12y ago
  The new keyboard looks awful. There is some kind of network problem that causes 3 to 10 second latencies when I look up web pages at home with DSL but is not so bad at the gym with cable. I think DNS is involved. It used to be that a left hand swipe and a right hand swipe would bring up different menus but now I have to swipe multiple times to count through the menus. It's that kind of hamhanded design that make people think bigger devices are unwieldy
  - Gracana 12y ago
    On my first edition Nexus 7 it has slowed down everything considerably, it is borderline unbearable to use it for anything now, even just browsing web pages is an uncomfortable experience. The lagginess combined with the double-gestures required for unlocking and getting to settings is especially frustrating. I used to love this device, but now I feel like it's working against me.
  - redacted 12y ago
    While not your biggest issue by far: you can change the colour scheme of the Lollipop keyboard in its settings. "Material Dark" is a far more attractive setting (and I think the "Holo" settings will make it look like the older keyboard).
prapam2 12y ago
I have it on 2012 and 2013 N7 along with N4. Really pleased with it. My dad uses the 2012 N7 and he was wondering whether i got him a new device! And i really like the new keyboard. I think my mistakes have been reduced.

hackmiester 12y ago

I primarily have heard reactions to how buggy the OS is. I haven't heard many complaints about the design concepts.

tracker1 12y ago
I tend not to criticize design decisions unless they are just plain asinine... Mostly if it is more of a matter of taste vs comfort level. I won't reject new designs just because they are uncomfortable. There are only a handful of design changes in Android 5 that piss me off... I don't mind having email and gmail's apps combined. Two irksome things, is that the account switching circles are all but useless, I have 5 email apps, it only shows two bubbles, and there is no way to really tell which one is what. I can use the dropdown, but once you have more than two accounts, it should only show the dropdown picker. The second, is there doesn't seem to be a way to set an email as unread... I often will peak at a mail, and mark it unread to get back to. I know that inbox is working to get around things like this, but inbox really doesn't fit my workflow. Aside from that, the keyboard changes don't bug me. Even the double swipe for settings really isn't that bad. I really don't do much on my phone though... I removed facebook for shoving not one but two spyware apps down my throat, I removed most of the heavy battery offenders, and tend not to install apps that ask for permissions they have absolutely no need for... (flashlight apps that want sd and contact access, I get they need camera access for the flash)... It will really be an interesting few years as phones approach today's desktop capabilities... I think remote displays will be a next thing... car interfaces especially..
- wodenokoto 12y ago
  So your main complaint is that it is not optimized for users with 5 different email apps? I have 3 on my iPhone, and I thought that is excessive.
  - tracker1 12y ago
    No, my complaint is that with more than two email accounts, you can't tell one from another on the menu screen... there's no point in having them displayed that way at all as opposed to just keeping the drop down.

andrewflnr 12y ago

'meh boring' is a lot better than 'oh god help me'. A lot.

threeseed 12y ago
But 'meh boring' is not the same as well-regarded.
- ddoolin 12y ago
  Isn't the point of a good UI to not get in the way? If that's the case, then whether or not it's been well-regarded might be best determined by the "meh, boring" factor, regardless of how much users/critics/etc are aware of that fact.
  - andrewflnr 12y ago
    In other words, an absence of 'oh god help me' ought to be well-regarded if it isn't already. :)

alrs 12y ago

Android 5.0 breaks the Nook app and Twidere outright, and damages F-Droid. It's also crazy-slow. Avoid, for now.

andybak 12y ago
Crazy slow on what? My Nexus 5 is as fast as always - possibly even slightly nippier.
- achamayou 12y ago
  The animations feel slower than they did before, but it's apparently a deliberate choice, not a performance issue. Scaling them at .5x in the Dev Options menu make the whole UI feel much snappier on my Nexus 5.