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Sounds right, but until a friend of you sends a .doc or .ppt file as an attachment.

by iambvk 17y ago

axod 17y ago
That's a separate issue about file formats and whether they should be closed or open. Whole different argument. You can have closed proprietary programs and have completely open standard file formats.
- iambvk 17y ago
  You just said, "No one forces you to use their proprietary software." and I gave an example. Of course, it is not forcing, you can stay not opening the attachment, suppress the curiosity. Yes, file formats /can/ be seen as a different issue, but its often the reason I end up using proprietary programs. One can have a closed program with a open file format, but not an open program with a proprietary file format, why? Doesn't it suggest an interesting link between proprietary programs and proprietary file formats? Do you still think they are really independent issues?
  - axod 17y ago
    >> "Of course, it is not forcing, you can stay not opening the attachment, suppress the curiosity." Exactly. So comparing it to slavery is ridiculous. You're right though, they are interlinked. Still, no one is forcing anyone to use proprietary software.
    - omouse 17y ago
      The comparison to slavery may not be very good, I agree. However, he is making a valid point and you are neglecting to see it. Not everyone is a super-man that can ignore the influences of their environment. We have to deal with other people and their sometimes strange ideas and you're assuming that we don't, or at least you're assuming that there are no negative consequences for ignoring the rest of the environment and doing what you want.
      - axod 17y ago
        >> "or at least you're assuming that there are no negative consequences for ignoring the rest of the environment and doing what you want." You're right. I don't think there are. But then I'm completely against the minimum wage for similar reasons. You're not forced to get a particular job.
- gloob 17y ago
  You can have closed proprietary programs and have completely open standard file formats. Sure, but can you have open free programs and closed, locked-down, proprietary formats? It's a separate issue, perhaps, but it's a very closely related one.
  - tjr 17y ago
    With difficulty. There is free software that can work with proprietary formats, but those formats have to be reverse-engineered, and if the formats change, they have to be reverse-engineered again.

Sounds right, but until a friend of you sends a .doc or .ppt file as an attachment.

by iambvk 17y ago

Sounds right, but until a friend of you sends a .doc or .ppt file as an attachment.

axod 17y ago

That's a separate issue about file formats and whether they should be closed or open. Whole different argument. You can have closed proprietary programs and have completely open standard file formats.

iambvk 17y ago
You just said, "No one forces you to use their proprietary software." and I gave an example. Of course, it is not forcing, you can stay not opening the attachment, suppress the curiosity. Yes, file formats /can/ be seen as a different issue, but its often the reason I end up using proprietary programs. One can have a closed program with a open file format, but not an open program with a proprietary file format, why? Doesn't it suggest an interesting link between proprietary programs and proprietary file formats? Do you still think they are really independent issues?
- axod 17y ago
  >> "Of course, it is not forcing, you can stay not opening the attachment, suppress the curiosity." Exactly. So comparing it to slavery is ridiculous. You're right though, they are interlinked. Still, no one is forcing anyone to use proprietary software.
  - omouse 17y ago
    The comparison to slavery may not be very good, I agree. However, he is making a valid point and you are neglecting to see it. Not everyone is a super-man that can ignore the influences of their environment. We have to deal with other people and their sometimes strange ideas and you're assuming that we don't, or at least you're assuming that there are no negative consequences for ignoring the rest of the environment and doing what you want.
    - axod 17y ago
      >> "or at least you're assuming that there are no negative consequences for ignoring the rest of the environment and doing what you want." You're right. I don't think there are. But then I'm completely against the minimum wage for similar reasons. You're not forced to get a particular job.
gloob 17y ago
You can have closed proprietary programs and have completely open standard file formats. Sure, but can you have open free programs and closed, locked-down, proprietary formats? It's a separate issue, perhaps, but it's a very closely related one.
- tjr 17y ago
  With difficulty. There is free software that can work with proprietary formats, but those formats have to be reverse-engineered, and if the formats change, they have to be reverse-engineered again.