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According to the United States Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey conducted from 1993 to 1999, the annual rate of nonfatal, job-related

by 001sky 12y ago

According to the United States Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey conducted from 1993 to 1999, the annual rate of nonfatal, job-related violent crime was 12.6 per 1,000 workers in all occupations. Among physicians, the rate was 16.2 per 1,000, and among nurses, 21.9 per 1,000. However, for psychiatrists and mental healthcare professionals, the rate was 68.2 per 1,000, and for mental health custodial workers, 69 per 1,000.1 And it appears that these events may happen early in one's career, as the literature suggests that 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ There is plenty more data on this. But lets repeat: 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program

DanBC 12y ago
Do you know how flawed your statistics are? "Mental health workers" includes "drug and alcohol rehab workers" and, as the submitted article shows, drug or alcohol addiction do increase likelyhood of violence. By including people with addiction problems you've skewed the stats. EDIT: I mean, even the paper you cite says: > Because serious mental illness is quite rare, it actually contributes very little to the overall rate of violence in the general population; the attributable risk has been estimated to be 3 to 5 percent, much lower than that associated with substance abuse, for example. (People with no mental disorder who abuse alcohol or drugs are nearly seven times as likely as those without substance abuse to report violent behavior).
- 001sky 12y ago
  This data makes a mockery of your anectdotal evidence. The odds of me being exposed to violence on a tour of a prison are virtually nil. It does not follow that prison violence is virtually nil.
  - 001sky 12y ago
    From another source: "Mentally ill people in hospital sometimes behave aggressively. They may try to harm other patients, staff, property or themselves. Inthe UK, the National Audit of Violence found that a third of inpatients had been treatened or made to feel unsafe while in care [Royal College of Psychiatrists 2007]. This figure rose to 44% for clinical staff and 72% of nursing staff working in these units. " Violence is simply correlated with exposure: patients attacked/threatened 33% doctors attacked/threatened 44% nurses attacked/threatened 72% People with more direct exposure show increased risk of attack. The data are very clear. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/projects/litreview/litrevagg.pdf https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/pr...
    - DanBC 12y ago
      You've included forensic units. When a prisoner in a regular prison develops a severe mental illness they'll be transferred from prison to hospital. Or when someone is found guilty at trial they may be sent direct to a secure mental health unit. Obviously the population of people put in prison includes violent offenders. You're also focussing on hospitals. Most people with a mental illness, even a severe illness, will not need a hospital admission. For example: My county has a population of about 650,000 people. The local MH trust has about 4,000 to 5,000 people on their books at any time. Only about 4% of those people need an in-patient stay.
      - 001sky 12y ago
        So, lets get this striaght, you <excluded> violent patients from your analysis of population violence? Nice one!
        DanBC 12y ago
        No! And that's the point. Mental illness contributes a tiny amount to violence. Drug or alcohol addiction contribute far more, as does previous violence. Try reading the fucking article.
        12y ago

by 001sky 12y ago

DanBC 12y ago

Do you know how flawed your statistics are? "Mental health workers" includes "drug and alcohol rehab workers" and, as the submitted article shows, drug or alcohol addiction do increase likelyhood of violence. By including people with addiction problems you've skewed the stats. EDIT: I mean, even the paper you cite says: > Because serious mental illness is quite rare, it actually contributes very little to the overall rate of violence in the general population; the attributable risk has been estimated to be 3 to 5 percent, much lower than that associated with substance abuse, for example. (People with no mental disorder who abuse alcohol or drugs are nearly seven times as likely as those without substance abuse to report violent behavior).

001sky 12y ago
This data makes a mockery of your anectdotal evidence. The odds of me being exposed to violence on a tour of a prison are virtually nil. It does not follow that prison violence is virtually nil.
- 001sky 12y ago
  From another source: "Mentally ill people in hospital sometimes behave aggressively. They may try to harm other patients, staff, property or themselves. Inthe UK, the National Audit of Violence found that a third of inpatients had been treatened or made to feel unsafe while in care [Royal College of Psychiatrists 2007]. This figure rose to 44% for clinical staff and 72% of nursing staff working in these units. " Violence is simply correlated with exposure: patients attacked/threatened 33% doctors attacked/threatened 44% nurses attacked/threatened 72% People with more direct exposure show increased risk of attack. The data are very clear. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/projects/litreview/litrevagg.pdf https://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/pr...
  - DanBC 12y ago
    You've included forensic units. When a prisoner in a regular prison develops a severe mental illness they'll be transferred from prison to hospital. Or when someone is found guilty at trial they may be sent direct to a secure mental health unit. Obviously the population of people put in prison includes violent offenders. You're also focussing on hospitals. Most people with a mental illness, even a severe illness, will not need a hospital admission. For example: My county has a population of about 650,000 people. The local MH trust has about 4,000 to 5,000 people on their books at any time. Only about 4% of those people need an in-patient stay.
    - 001sky 12y ago
      So, lets get this striaght, you <excluded> violent patients from your analysis of population violence? Nice one!
      - DanBC 12y ago
        No! And that's the point. Mental illness contributes a tiny amount to violence. Drug or alcohol addiction contribute far more, as does previous violence. Try reading the fucking article.
        12y ago