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Doe we need a scientific study? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Knives seem to be doing a good job lately.

by 001sky 12y ago

lomnakkus 12y ago
> Doe we need a scientific study? Uh, yes?
- 001sky 12y ago
  Do you have any empirical experience with either? It turns out crazy tend not to follow rules. Spoiler alert, I know.
  - lomnakkus 12y ago
    > It turns out crazy tend not to follow rules. Maybe they do, statistically speaking. Knowing that could be helpful. Maybe it could even lead to new treatments. Are you just being an ass on purpose?
    - 001sky 12y ago
      It amuses me how smug people who lack any experience tend to be.
      - lomnakkus 12y ago
        Obviously, I'm not getting what you're trying to say... and you tell me that I'm smug, so obviously I'm interested in finding out what I'm supposedly smug about. Could you be a little more explicit about what you're actually trying to say? Otherwise, I'm done.
        001sky 12y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8642538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8642538
        lomnakkus 12y ago
        Violent crime !== Gun violence. EDIT: Oh, and what DanBC said as well. EDIT#2: I hope I'm not remiss in pointing out the irony of you posting links to studies when your OP started out by saying "do we need studies?".
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  - DanBC 12y ago
    I have met people in low secure and medium secure mental health units in England. (Low and medium secure is a specifict technical term for mental health hospitals that have interaction with the legal system). I have met very many people in the acute phase of a psychotic illness -- sometimes in hospital and sometimes in the community. I have met very many people with a wode variety of mental health diagnoses. I feel less safe walking through town on a busy Friday night than I ever do in mental health hospitals.
    - 001sky 12y ago
      According to the United States Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey conducted from 1993 to 1999, the annual rate of nonfatal, job-related violent crime was 12.6 per 1,000 workers in all occupations. Among physicians, the rate was 16.2 per 1,000, and among nurses, 21.9 per 1,000. However, for psychiatrists and mental healthcare professionals, the rate was 68.2 per 1,000, and for mental health custodial workers, 69 per 1,000.1 And it appears that these events may happen early in one's career, as the literature suggests that 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ There is plenty more data on this. But lets repeat: 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program
      - DanBC 12y ago
        Do you know how flawed your statistics are? "Mental health workers" includes "drug and alcohol rehab workers" and, as the submitted article shows, drug or alcohol addiction do increase likelyhood of violence. By including people with addiction problems you've skewed the stats. EDIT: I mean, even the paper you cite says: > Because serious mental illness is quite rare, it actually contributes very little to the overall rate of violence in the general population; the attributable risk has been estimated to be 3 to 5 percent, much lower than that associated with substance abuse, for example. (People with no mental disorder who abuse alcohol or drugs are nearly seven times as likely as those without substance abuse to report violent behavior).

Doe we need a scientific study? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Knives seem to be doing a good job lately.

by 001sky 12y ago

Doe we need a scientific study? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Knives seem to be doing a good job lately.

lomnakkus 12y ago

> Doe we need a scientific study? Uh, yes?

001sky 12y ago
Do you have any empirical experience with either? It turns out crazy tend not to follow rules. Spoiler alert, I know.
- lomnakkus 12y ago
  > It turns out crazy tend not to follow rules. Maybe they do, statistically speaking. Knowing that could be helpful. Maybe it could even lead to new treatments. Are you just being an ass on purpose?
  - 001sky 12y ago
    It amuses me how smug people who lack any experience tend to be.
    - lomnakkus 12y ago
      Obviously, I'm not getting what you're trying to say... and you tell me that I'm smug, so obviously I'm interested in finding out what I'm supposedly smug about. Could you be a little more explicit about what you're actually trying to say? Otherwise, I'm done.
      - 001sky 12y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8642538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8642538
        lomnakkus 12y ago
        Violent crime !== Gun violence. EDIT: Oh, and what DanBC said as well. EDIT#2: I hope I'm not remiss in pointing out the irony of you posting links to studies when your OP started out by saying "do we need studies?".
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- DanBC 12y ago
  I have met people in low secure and medium secure mental health units in England. (Low and medium secure is a specifict technical term for mental health hospitals that have interaction with the legal system). I have met very many people in the acute phase of a psychotic illness -- sometimes in hospital and sometimes in the community. I have met very many people with a wode variety of mental health diagnoses. I feel less safe walking through town on a busy Friday night than I ever do in mental health hospitals.
  - 001sky 12y ago
    According to the United States Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey conducted from 1993 to 1999, the annual rate of nonfatal, job-related violent crime was 12.6 per 1,000 workers in all occupations. Among physicians, the rate was 16.2 per 1,000, and among nurses, 21.9 per 1,000. However, for psychiatrists and mental healthcare professionals, the rate was 68.2 per 1,000, and for mental health custodial workers, 69 per 1,000.1 And it appears that these events may happen early in one's career, as the literature suggests that 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/ There is plenty more data on this. But lets repeat: 40 to 50 percent of psychiatry residents will be physically attacked by a patient during their four-year training program
    - DanBC 12y ago
      Do you know how flawed your statistics are? "Mental health workers" includes "drug and alcohol rehab workers" and, as the submitted article shows, drug or alcohol addiction do increase likelyhood of violence. By including people with addiction problems you've skewed the stats. EDIT: I mean, even the paper you cite says: > Because serious mental illness is quite rare, it actually contributes very little to the overall rate of violence in the general population; the attributable risk has been estimated to be 3 to 5 percent, much lower than that associated with substance abuse, for example. (People with no mental disorder who abuse alcohol or drugs are nearly seven times as likely as those without substance abuse to report violent behavior).