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I'm quite happy to be a part of the development team for GNU Guix, a distro that is not using systemd. I'm not a systemd hater, but it's definitely not for me

I'm quite happy to be a part of the development team for GNU Guix, a distro that is not using systemd. I'm not a systemd hater, but it's definitely not for me and I'm not thrilled with the direction that development is going. It's a shame that sysvinit and friends are so bad that using systemd is the best option we have right now. Maybe GNU dmd will be able to stand up to it someday.

Shish2k 12y ago
> I'm quite happy to be a part of the development team for GNU Guix, a distro that is not using systemd. Thank you for doing this :) I love systemd myself, but I still think it's important to have alternatives available; also it makes me very happy to see somebody creating their own choice instead of tearing down other people's choices :D
TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
Thank you for doing this. That being said, it's a little too esoteric for my tastes (among other things: "if you are looking for a stable production system that respects your freedom as a computer user, a good solution at this point is to consider one of more established GNU/Linux distributions."). Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? (My current laptop, unfortunately, has UEFI. It's a royal pain, but oh well.)
- davexunit 12y ago
  >it's a little too esoteric for my tastes Yes, we're still in alpha. Not ready for prime time yet. >Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? Gentoo? I use Debian most of the time, which of course uses systemd now.
  - TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
    > Gentoo doesn't officially support UEFI
    - davexunit 12y ago
      Ah, didn't know that. Thanks!
- josteink 12y ago
  > Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? Not addressing any other of your points, doesn't most laptops/computers which ships with UEFI allow you to set it to boot in "legacy-BIOS" mode? Even if you're currently UEFI-booting, I would be seriously surprised if UEFI-support was a requirement for every OS your machine can boot.
  - TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
    I dual boot with Windows 8 for games. Windows 8 will work without UEFI, but I haven't found any information about how to downgrade an existing UEFI-based windows 8 partition to legacy bios, or if it is safe/feasible to do so. In particular, the non-existent bootloader. (Windows, as usual, seems to take the approach of "wipe + reformat", which is not exactly optimal.) If you have any ideas, feel free to let me know. And regardless, this is a temporary solution.
anonbanker 12y ago
I'm looking forward to switching to Guix as soon as it reaches beta. All this POSIX breakage and LGPL exploitation is making me double down on GNU.
- davexunit 12y ago
  Glad you are interested! If you are brave, you can try out the distro and report the issues you run into. It would be very helpful to us. BTW, I'm typing this from my standalone Guix machine. Eating my own dog food.

Shish2k 12y ago

> I'm quite happy to be a part of the development team for GNU Guix, a distro that is not using systemd. Thank you for doing this :) I love systemd myself, but I still think it's important to have alternatives available; also it makes me very happy to see somebody creating their own choice instead of tearing down other people's choices :D

TheLoneWolfling 12y ago

Thank you for doing this. That being said, it's a little too esoteric for my tastes (among other things: "if you are looking for a stable production system that respects your freedom as a computer user, a good solution at this point is to consider one of more established GNU/Linux distributions."). Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? (My current laptop, unfortunately, has UEFI. It's a royal pain, but oh well.)

davexunit 12y ago
>it's a little too esoteric for my tastes Yes, we're still in alpha. Not ready for prime time yet. >Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? Gentoo? I use Debian most of the time, which of course uses systemd now.
- TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
  > Gentoo doesn't officially support UEFI
  - davexunit 12y ago
    Ah, didn't know that. Thanks!
josteink 12y ago
> Do you know of any Linux distros that a) don't use systemd, b) are vaguely active / supported, and c) run on UEFI? Not addressing any other of your points, doesn't most laptops/computers which ships with UEFI allow you to set it to boot in "legacy-BIOS" mode? Even if you're currently UEFI-booting, I would be seriously surprised if UEFI-support was a requirement for every OS your machine can boot.
- TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
  I dual boot with Windows 8 for games. Windows 8 will work without UEFI, but I haven't found any information about how to downgrade an existing UEFI-based windows 8 partition to legacy bios, or if it is safe/feasible to do so. In particular, the non-existent bootloader. (Windows, as usual, seems to take the approach of "wipe + reformat", which is not exactly optimal.) If you have any ideas, feel free to let me know. And regardless, this is a temporary solution.

anonbanker 12y ago

I'm looking forward to switching to Guix as soon as it reaches beta. All this POSIX breakage and LGPL exploitation is making me double down on GNU.

davexunit 12y ago
Glad you are interested! If you are brave, you can try out the distro and report the issues you run into. It would be very helpful to us. BTW, I'm typing this from my standalone Guix machine. Eating my own dog food.