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> 1000X more? Not by the source article: 50GB/$10 is $0.20/GB which is less than 2X AWS/Google's wholesale $0.12/GB. AWS/Google retail bandwidth prices are a b

> 1000X more? Not by the source article: 50GB/$10 is $0.20/GB which is less than 2X AWS/Google's wholesale $0.12/GB. AWS/Google retail bandwidth prices are a bad comparison, as they are ridiculously expensive compared to wholesale bandwidth prices. Wholesale bandwidth costs about 0.1 cents per GB. Not quite 1000X what Comcast charges, it's "only" 100X the wholesale rate. To give you some perspective, Dane Jasper, CEO of Sonic.net said they spend about 3% of their costs on bandwidth. Please consider that Sonic is a small actor and at scale costs will be less.

iamhamm 12y ago
> Wholesale bandwidth costs about 0.1 cents per GB. Source? I've often wondered what this number is when viewed in aggregate across carriers - I can just never find it.
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  $0.003/GB is what $1/1Mbps is, at 100% utilization. 324GB is what 1Mbps can do in a month. Perhaps a bit less but low quality providers (HE, Cogent) will do a dollar a Mbps easily. So work backwards. (Another way, you need 3kbps to do 1GB in a month. That times 333 is about 1Mbps, so $1. I'm ignoring 95th percentile billing here.) Better providers like L3 are around $3/Mbps, last I heard. So $0.001 a GB means you'd only pay 33 cents per Mbps, which seems pretty low. But maybe at terabit commits, HE goes even lower.. I've only looked at 10G commits.
- al_bundling 12y ago
  > Source? http://amazon.com/ip-transit http://amazon.com/ip-transit Just kidding. Seriously though, you are not going to see wholesale rates posted on a website. Contact your bandwidth provider and ask for a quote. For serious volumes and good pricing, expect to sign an NDA. However, to give you an idea of lowend pricing here are some examples from FDCservers. This is not an endorsement, just a site with easily accessible prices that I could remember off the top of my head. In fact, I emphatically do not recommend them. There are much better providers both in terms of price and quality. Remember 0.1 cents per GB equals about $0.30 per Mbps. Asymmetrical 100G at $0.15 per Mbps https://fdcservers.net/ip-transit.php https://fdcservers.net/ip-transit.php Metered 10G at $0.60 per Mbps https://fdcservers.net/colocation.php https://fdcservers.net/colocation.php Unmetered 10G including server $500 https://fdcservers.net/dedicated-servers.php https://fdcservers.net/dedicated-servers.php
codexon 12y ago
Where can you get wholesale bandwidth at $0.001/GB?
- nmjohn 12y ago
  You can get a dedicated gigabit line for like a grand a month - possibly less - which if you max out 24/7 gets you like 300 terabytes of bandwidth = $0.00333 - and one gigabit line is hardly wholesale.
- nullrouted 12y ago
  www.he.net at $.45/Mbps...1Mbps = 320 GB per month, you can find similar deals out there, it is pretty close.
  - codexon 12y ago
    HE is at the cheap end and I don't think most people are going to colo so they can buy transit, if their colo will even let them. Not to mention that bringing bandwidth to a DC is way cheaper than bringing it to individual homes.
    - al_bundling 12y ago
      HE is just an example, the other transit providers will match and beat those prices at wholesale scales. For an ISP the wholesale rate is the same as the DC rate. We are not talking about individuals buying retail bandwidth here.
      - codexon 12y ago
        The parent comment was talking about comparing Comcast retail prices to AWS retail prices. The story is talking about Xfinity retail plans. It doesn't make sense to compare retail prices to wholesale prices. If an average coder can't even get bandwidth at $0.001/GB with some serious effort, then how this this a valid point of comparison for how much bandwidth should cost for the average internet user? I doubt you can get Level3 or Internap to beat HE prices.

iamhamm 12y ago

> Wholesale bandwidth costs about 0.1 cents per GB. Source? I've often wondered what this number is when viewed in aggregate across carriers - I can just never find it.

MichaelGG 12y ago
$0.003/GB is what $1/1Mbps is, at 100% utilization. 324GB is what 1Mbps can do in a month. Perhaps a bit less but low quality providers (HE, Cogent) will do a dollar a Mbps easily. So work backwards. (Another way, you need 3kbps to do 1GB in a month. That times 333 is about 1Mbps, so $1. I'm ignoring 95th percentile billing here.) Better providers like L3 are around $3/Mbps, last I heard. So $0.001 a GB means you'd only pay 33 cents per Mbps, which seems pretty low. But maybe at terabit commits, HE goes even lower.. I've only looked at 10G commits.
al_bundling 12y ago
> Source? http://amazon.com/ip-transit http://amazon.com/ip-transit Just kidding. Seriously though, you are not going to see wholesale rates posted on a website. Contact your bandwidth provider and ask for a quote. For serious volumes and good pricing, expect to sign an NDA. However, to give you an idea of lowend pricing here are some examples from FDCservers. This is not an endorsement, just a site with easily accessible prices that I could remember off the top of my head. In fact, I emphatically do not recommend them. There are much better providers both in terms of price and quality. Remember 0.1 cents per GB equals about $0.30 per Mbps. Asymmetrical 100G at $0.15 per Mbps https://fdcservers.net/ip-transit.php https://fdcservers.net/ip-transit.php Metered 10G at $0.60 per Mbps https://fdcservers.net/colocation.php https://fdcservers.net/colocation.php Unmetered 10G including server $500 https://fdcservers.net/dedicated-servers.php https://fdcservers.net/dedicated-servers.php

codexon 12y ago

Where can you get wholesale bandwidth at $0.001/GB?

nmjohn 12y ago
You can get a dedicated gigabit line for like a grand a month - possibly less - which if you max out 24/7 gets you like 300 terabytes of bandwidth = $0.00333 - and one gigabit line is hardly wholesale.
nullrouted 12y ago
www.he.net at $.45/Mbps...1Mbps = 320 GB per month, you can find similar deals out there, it is pretty close.
- codexon 12y ago
  HE is at the cheap end and I don't think most people are going to colo so they can buy transit, if their colo will even let them. Not to mention that bringing bandwidth to a DC is way cheaper than bringing it to individual homes.
  - al_bundling 12y ago
    HE is just an example, the other transit providers will match and beat those prices at wholesale scales. For an ISP the wholesale rate is the same as the DC rate. We are not talking about individuals buying retail bandwidth here.
    - codexon 12y ago
      The parent comment was talking about comparing Comcast retail prices to AWS retail prices. The story is talking about Xfinity retail plans. It doesn't make sense to compare retail prices to wholesale prices. If an average coder can't even get bandwidth at $0.001/GB with some serious effort, then how this this a valid point of comparison for how much bandwidth should cost for the average internet user? I doubt you can get Level3 or Internap to beat HE prices.