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It makes sense to me that the most qualified regulators would be those who spent years in the private sector working at places like GS. I can see how what you'

It makes sense to me that the most qualified regulators would be those who spent years in the private sector working at places like GS. I can see how what you're saying could make sense, from a utilitarian perspective. But unfortunately lifetimes of empirical evidence suggest that we just can't trust any of these industries (oil/gas/mining, banking, pharma, telecom, etc) to self-regulate (which in effect is what the "revolving-door" culture leads to). Not all of the people in these companies are bad (most are not). But enough of them are, and the temptation for malfeasance (both to maximize profit, or to simply save their asses when the inevitably run into hot water), along with the human tendency to rationalize away such malfeasance (if it serves a perceived higher end) are simply too great.

philrapo 12y ago
So are you then suggesting that it's preferable to have regulators who never had hands-on industry experience in their relevant sector?
- dllthomas 12y ago
  Ideal might be a mix - some with industry experience and some explicitly without it. It's a toughy, though.
- alexqgb 12y ago
  I don't know, is it preferable to have cops who are ex-Mafia on the grounds that they "just know more about crime"? "Regulation" is a polite word, so it's easy to lose track of what it really means. But what it really means is policing. Contrary to what the Republicans tell you, ours is not a planned economy in which government bureaucrats are making operational decisions. This isn't the Soviet Union, and they don't exist to govern the allocation of the shoe supply. Generally speaking, regulations is capitalist economies are about limiting the otherwise limitless appetite for profit by imposing extraordinarily high costs on harmful, reckless, and otherwise predatory behavior. If regulators want to retain outside consultants from an industry that's one thing - especially if the people they're hiring are whistleblowers who can be relied on to have no further employment with the people they busted. It's when industry starts hiring ex-regulators that things get really sticky.
  - philrapo 12y ago
    >"Regulation" is a polite word, so it's easy to lose track of what it really means. But what it really means is policing. The FCC polices the tv/radio/satellite/cable industry, but it also writes regulations that affect the business. It is preferable to have a head of FCC with industry knowledge. Having industry experience does not automatically make one corrupt or criminal, which seems to be your line of thinking. >Contrary to what the Republicans tell you, ours is not a planned economy in which government bureaucrats are making operational decisions. Ours is not a centrally planned economy, but regulators can still enact policies that positively or negatively affect how an industry functions.
    - intended 12y ago
      There's this strange underlying strata in your argument, in that it seems to allude that people 1) Can't be effective regulators without having learned or interacted with private business 2) it is natural to expect people to head to private practice, and there aren't some people who enjoy serving the nation. Finally - as an unrelated point to the above - relations between regs and private entities are dynamic systems. At the moment they are likely too cushy and they need to be further apart. At other times or in other eras, the regulators are too far apart from business to understand best practices. Given the evidence, and the fact that regulatory capture is occurring at multiple levels, it seems apparent an arms length approach is required.
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    - alexqgb 12y ago
      As I said, generally speaking. Obviously, there are exceptions - like the FCC - that stand out for one unique reason or another (directly managing a publicly-held resource like the wireless spectrum, for instance, or the Dept. of the Interior, which issues oil and gas leases). And I'm not saying that having industry experience by itself is a problem - although it can be with shadier lines of work. No, it becomes a problem when people can ping-pong back and forth between rule making and profit making roles in the same sector. The worst of it is seen not in people coming from the private sector, but from people going to the private sector - frequently to collect their rewards for having exercised a "light touch" when they were with the government. That's the point at which a big salary for a cushy gig looks less like compensation for the job you're doing now, and more like a reward for the job you didn't do as a regulator.
- Spooky23 12y ago
  Let's be real here. Banking isn't medicine or rocket science. The IRS and State Tax departments seem to figure out how to author, enforce, audit and interpret complex regulation without the brilliant insight of investment bankers.
  - philrapo 12y ago
    The IRS tax code is quite possibly the worst example to use, if you are trying to point to well written regulation. Almost 74,000 pages of tax code. [1] Though I agree that investment banking advice would be irrelevant here. [1] http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2013/02/17/how-many-pages-long-is-the-us-income-tax-code-in-2013-n1514277 http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations...
    - Spooky23 12y ago
      I think it's very apropos -- I never claimed it was good. The point is that the tax authorities, despite not practicing in any of a thousand different business practices is somehow able to effective police tax collection. The notion that banking is somehow so magically complex that government employees can't figure it out is ridiculous.

philrapo 12y ago

So are you then suggesting that it's preferable to have regulators who never had hands-on industry experience in their relevant sector?

dllthomas 12y ago
Ideal might be a mix - some with industry experience and some explicitly without it. It's a toughy, though.
alexqgb 12y ago
I don't know, is it preferable to have cops who are ex-Mafia on the grounds that they "just know more about crime"? "Regulation" is a polite word, so it's easy to lose track of what it really means. But what it really means is policing. Contrary to what the Republicans tell you, ours is not a planned economy in which government bureaucrats are making operational decisions. This isn't the Soviet Union, and they don't exist to govern the allocation of the shoe supply. Generally speaking, regulations is capitalist economies are about limiting the otherwise limitless appetite for profit by imposing extraordinarily high costs on harmful, reckless, and otherwise predatory behavior. If regulators want to retain outside consultants from an industry that's one thing - especially if the people they're hiring are whistleblowers who can be relied on to have no further employment with the people they busted. It's when industry starts hiring ex-regulators that things get really sticky.
- philrapo 12y ago
  >"Regulation" is a polite word, so it's easy to lose track of what it really means. But what it really means is policing. The FCC polices the tv/radio/satellite/cable industry, but it also writes regulations that affect the business. It is preferable to have a head of FCC with industry knowledge. Having industry experience does not automatically make one corrupt or criminal, which seems to be your line of thinking. >Contrary to what the Republicans tell you, ours is not a planned economy in which government bureaucrats are making operational decisions. Ours is not a centrally planned economy, but regulators can still enact policies that positively or negatively affect how an industry functions.
  - intended 12y ago
    There's this strange underlying strata in your argument, in that it seems to allude that people 1) Can't be effective regulators without having learned or interacted with private business 2) it is natural to expect people to head to private practice, and there aren't some people who enjoy serving the nation. Finally - as an unrelated point to the above - relations between regs and private entities are dynamic systems. At the moment they are likely too cushy and they need to be further apart. At other times or in other eras, the regulators are too far apart from business to understand best practices. Given the evidence, and the fact that regulatory capture is occurring at multiple levels, it seems apparent an arms length approach is required.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - alexqgb 12y ago
    As I said, generally speaking. Obviously, there are exceptions - like the FCC - that stand out for one unique reason or another (directly managing a publicly-held resource like the wireless spectrum, for instance, or the Dept. of the Interior, which issues oil and gas leases). And I'm not saying that having industry experience by itself is a problem - although it can be with shadier lines of work. No, it becomes a problem when people can ping-pong back and forth between rule making and profit making roles in the same sector. The worst of it is seen not in people coming from the private sector, but from people going to the private sector - frequently to collect their rewards for having exercised a "light touch" when they were with the government. That's the point at which a big salary for a cushy gig looks less like compensation for the job you're doing now, and more like a reward for the job you didn't do as a regulator.
Spooky23 12y ago
Let's be real here. Banking isn't medicine or rocket science. The IRS and State Tax departments seem to figure out how to author, enforce, audit and interpret complex regulation without the brilliant insight of investment bankers.
- philrapo 12y ago
  The IRS tax code is quite possibly the worst example to use, if you are trying to point to well written regulation. Almost 74,000 pages of tax code. [1] Though I agree that investment banking advice would be irrelevant here. [1] http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2013/02/17/how-many-pages-long-is-the-us-income-tax-code-in-2013-n1514277 http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations...
  - Spooky23 12y ago
    I think it's very apropos -- I never claimed it was good. The point is that the tax authorities, despite not practicing in any of a thousand different business practices is somehow able to effective police tax collection. The notion that banking is somehow so magically complex that government employees can't figure it out is ridiculous.