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Still, it would make zero sense to me that someone would provide a service against doxxing and limit said service to women. Why discriminating against men? Men

by muyuu 12y ago

Still, it would make zero sense to me that someone would provide a service against doxxing and limit said service to women. Why discriminating against men? Men can also be victimized by doxxing. How about providing it to people instead of just the female subset of people?

wpietri 12y ago
Sorry if I was unclear. I am talking about two separate things: a commercial service and a nonprofit who would provide subscriptions to the service. As I said, I want to subscribe. However, nonprofits pretty regularly provide services to limited groups of people. Veteran's groups focus on veterans. Women's shelters focus on women. The Alliance of Transylvanian Saxons focuses on Transylvanian Saxons. So if some existing nonprofit were to build this as part of their work, I'd have no problem with them limiting it to whatever group they were focusing on.
- muyuu 12y ago
  A commercial service is paradoxically (or not) exonerated of their own market-limiting decisions. It's when we're talking about a non-profit that moral issues arise for things like discrimination for gender (in this case would be discrimination towards males). The problems doxxing creates don't distinguish between males and females. Veterans suffer a number of problems that these orgs care about, same for women's shelters (generally speaking) - they provide a service that is functionally different for their target group. Doxxed people are both genders and distinguishing between them is completely artificial and discriminatory in the pejorative sense of the word. The facilities you'd set up against doxxing would work just as well for males but for no reason whatsoever you'd leave them out.
  - wpietri 12y ago
    If the nonprofit is, as I imagined, targeted at diversity in tech or women in tech, then I am not seeing any moral issues. If some other non-profit would like to provide these hypothetical services to other groups or to everybody in general, that is also awesome. I would encourage that. But as somebody who already donates to various groups like the Ada Initiative and Black Girls Code, I am saying I would give further money to an organization like that for providing an anti-doxxing service to their target audience. The point of my (very short) comment was "take my money!" So that if some maker here was inspired, they'd know to contact me. That's all.

by muyuu 12y ago

wpietri 12y ago

Sorry if I was unclear. I am talking about two separate things: a commercial service and a nonprofit who would provide subscriptions to the service. As I said, I want to subscribe. However, nonprofits pretty regularly provide services to limited groups of people. Veteran's groups focus on veterans. Women's shelters focus on women. The Alliance of Transylvanian Saxons focuses on Transylvanian Saxons. So if some existing nonprofit were to build this as part of their work, I'd have no problem with them limiting it to whatever group they were focusing on.

muyuu 12y ago
A commercial service is paradoxically (or not) exonerated of their own market-limiting decisions. It's when we're talking about a non-profit that moral issues arise for things like discrimination for gender (in this case would be discrimination towards males). The problems doxxing creates don't distinguish between males and females. Veterans suffer a number of problems that these orgs care about, same for women's shelters (generally speaking) - they provide a service that is functionally different for their target group. Doxxed people are both genders and distinguishing between them is completely artificial and discriminatory in the pejorative sense of the word. The facilities you'd set up against doxxing would work just as well for males but for no reason whatsoever you'd leave them out.
- wpietri 12y ago
  If the nonprofit is, as I imagined, targeted at diversity in tech or women in tech, then I am not seeing any moral issues. If some other non-profit would like to provide these hypothetical services to other groups or to everybody in general, that is also awesome. I would encourage that. But as somebody who already donates to various groups like the Ada Initiative and Black Girls Code, I am saying I would give further money to an organization like that for providing an anti-doxxing service to their target audience. The point of my (very short) comment was "take my money!" So that if some maker here was inspired, they'd know to contact me. That's all.