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Three minutes in to the first video: "This is about the seven greatest players who, in their time, ruled the world". So yeah, it seems like it's about the play

Three minutes in to the first video: "This is about the seven greatest players who, in their time, ruled the world". So yeah, it seems like it's about the players and the community. edit: The first video has so far gone over wave dashing and l-canceling, so it seems like it actually goes over some mechanical details of the game as well. I'm not really sure what you were expecting?

Mithaldu 12y ago
Two things: Directly before that sentence the voice says "This is about a game that was never designed to be played competitively." However it's really not been about the game at all. Secondly, i was directly addressing OP's description of this series as "this awesome documentary about SSBM", which is (not intentionally, but nevertheless) far from what the documentary is actually about. > The first video has so far gone over wave dashing and l-canceling It mentioned them. I still have no idea what wave dashing is at all, since they never explain it beyond "you press a lot of keys really quickly, like in starcraft". And l-canceling has a comparison, but it's shown extremely quickly, with little explanation fo what is being shown, and the meaning of the "l" is never explained. Heck, the only reason i know what canceling means is that i played godhand. > what you were expecting? Interesting stuff about the gameplay itself, the techniques used. What's the normal gameplay, how does competitive differ, what breakthroughs have been made, how and why do competitive techniques work. I really wasn't expecting "yes this guy drove like a thousand miles to play a game and win 200$" to be drawn out over many minutes. Not to discount the achievement, but i've heard tens of such stories before. Edit: Also gameplay footage which has more meaning than any of the trailers to the new transformers movies.
- CocaKoala 12y ago
  I thought the explanation of wave dashing was pretty clear: you jump, and then immediately cancel that jump into a downwards dodge; this makes you slide across the floor. The video explains that in basically those words, and pretty clearly shows that you can wave dash faster than you can run, which gives you greater mobility. L-canceling was pretty clearly shown to be a technique that cancels the recovery of the move; this is shown by not only the side-by-side comparison, but also the players who literally say "He knew about l-cancelling before us, so he was able to do moves, like, you know, l-cancel his moves to stop the delay on moves before us". They don't explain why it's called "l-cancelling", but that's not going to add more information to the explanation of the utility. It's a documentary, not a tutorial.
  - Mithaldu 12y ago
    > pretty clearly shows that you can wave dash faster than you can run, which gives you greater mobility. If they did show that then they showed it without even pointing it out. I do remember them saying something about a jump and a slide, but that part was very fast, and even after looking at that bit again i can't see where they show the comparison to normal running. > this is shown by not only the side-by-side comparison Again, only shown for an extremely short time. By the time i figure out which one was showing the L-cancel they were done with it already. > They don't explain why it's called "l-cancelling", but that's not going to add more information to the explanation of the utility. You think that. I do not. > It's a documentary, not a tutorial. There can also be a middle ground. This documentary utterly aims at one extreme though. --- More importantly note that these two things, and the explanation of the percentage, are the only times they actually bother to explain anything about the game in the first two episodes.
    - CocaKoala 12y ago
      12 minutes into the second episode when they're talking about Ken vs. Chillindude, and Chillindude starts talking about his strategic decisions: "The [strategy] is simply this: you throw them upwards, and then hit them with an up-air." If you don't like it, that's fine; your complaints about gameplay footage are all completely valid. But if you feel like they're not giving you information about the game, I'm not really sure how much attention you're paying to what they're saying. edit: especially because some thing you're explicitly saying you want (e.g. what breakthroughs are made) are given (l-cancelling and wave dashing, for example) and then you just totally discount them because I guess you're looking for frame by frame analysis in a documentary. edit 2: 22 minutes into the second episode they go over Directional Influence. That's more systems information for you and another example of a technical breakthrough that changed competitive play. If you don't like the videos that's fine, but you should probably watch a video fully before you make complaints that are provably false.
      - Mithaldu 12y ago
        > you just totally discount Sorry if it appears like that. I didn't express myself clearly enough. I wasn't discounting those, but instead expected more explanations of the basics. Without understanding of the basic movements and abilities of a character (the only nod towards that is the breathless "you can control every movement of your entire body"), no meaningful understanding of the impact of the special techniques is possible. (Note how i can't even tell the difference between the speed of a wave dash and normal running because they never once showed normal running in isolation.) Note specificially me saying in the bit you refer to: >> what you were expecting? > > What's the normal gameplay, > how does competitive differ They could've easily done that with a short 10 minute segment where they only go over the basics, maybe even make it optional. Or heck, a link to a tutorial they deem useful. Or at the very minimum a warning going "if you don't already know the game, nothing we talk about will make any sense".

Mithaldu 12y ago

Two things: Directly before that sentence the voice says "This is about a game that was never designed to be played competitively." However it's really not been about the game at all. Secondly, i was directly addressing OP's description of this series as "this awesome documentary about SSBM", which is (not intentionally, but nevertheless) far from what the documentary is actually about. > The first video has so far gone over wave dashing and l-canceling It mentioned them. I still have no idea what wave dashing is at all, since they never explain it beyond "you press a lot of keys really quickly, like in starcraft". And l-canceling has a comparison, but it's shown extremely quickly, with little explanation fo what is being shown, and the meaning of the "l" is never explained. Heck, the only reason i know what canceling means is that i played godhand. > what you were expecting? Interesting stuff about the gameplay itself, the techniques used. What's the normal gameplay, how does competitive differ, what breakthroughs have been made, how and why do competitive techniques work. I really wasn't expecting "yes this guy drove like a thousand miles to play a game and win 200$" to be drawn out over many minutes. Not to discount the achievement, but i've heard tens of such stories before. Edit: Also gameplay footage which has more meaning than any of the trailers to the new transformers movies.

CocaKoala 12y ago
I thought the explanation of wave dashing was pretty clear: you jump, and then immediately cancel that jump into a downwards dodge; this makes you slide across the floor. The video explains that in basically those words, and pretty clearly shows that you can wave dash faster than you can run, which gives you greater mobility. L-canceling was pretty clearly shown to be a technique that cancels the recovery of the move; this is shown by not only the side-by-side comparison, but also the players who literally say "He knew about l-cancelling before us, so he was able to do moves, like, you know, l-cancel his moves to stop the delay on moves before us". They don't explain why it's called "l-cancelling", but that's not going to add more information to the explanation of the utility. It's a documentary, not a tutorial.
- Mithaldu 12y ago
  > pretty clearly shows that you can wave dash faster than you can run, which gives you greater mobility. If they did show that then they showed it without even pointing it out. I do remember them saying something about a jump and a slide, but that part was very fast, and even after looking at that bit again i can't see where they show the comparison to normal running. > this is shown by not only the side-by-side comparison Again, only shown for an extremely short time. By the time i figure out which one was showing the L-cancel they were done with it already. > They don't explain why it's called "l-cancelling", but that's not going to add more information to the explanation of the utility. You think that. I do not. > It's a documentary, not a tutorial. There can also be a middle ground. This documentary utterly aims at one extreme though. --- More importantly note that these two things, and the explanation of the percentage, are the only times they actually bother to explain anything about the game in the first two episodes.
  - CocaKoala 12y ago
    12 minutes into the second episode when they're talking about Ken vs. Chillindude, and Chillindude starts talking about his strategic decisions: "The [strategy] is simply this: you throw them upwards, and then hit them with an up-air." If you don't like it, that's fine; your complaints about gameplay footage are all completely valid. But if you feel like they're not giving you information about the game, I'm not really sure how much attention you're paying to what they're saying. edit: especially because some thing you're explicitly saying you want (e.g. what breakthroughs are made) are given (l-cancelling and wave dashing, for example) and then you just totally discount them because I guess you're looking for frame by frame analysis in a documentary. edit 2: 22 minutes into the second episode they go over Directional Influence. That's more systems information for you and another example of a technical breakthrough that changed competitive play. If you don't like the videos that's fine, but you should probably watch a video fully before you make complaints that are provably false.
    - Mithaldu 12y ago
      > you just totally discount Sorry if it appears like that. I didn't express myself clearly enough. I wasn't discounting those, but instead expected more explanations of the basics. Without understanding of the basic movements and abilities of a character (the only nod towards that is the breathless "you can control every movement of your entire body"), no meaningful understanding of the impact of the special techniques is possible. (Note how i can't even tell the difference between the speed of a wave dash and normal running because they never once showed normal running in isolation.) Note specificially me saying in the bit you refer to: >> what you were expecting? > > What's the normal gameplay, > how does competitive differ They could've easily done that with a short 10 minute segment where they only go over the basics, maybe even make it optional. Or heck, a link to a tutorial they deem useful. Or at the very minimum a warning going "if you don't already know the game, nothing we talk about will make any sense".