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I don't think the condescending tone is necessary—there are actually about ten million links if you spell organization correctly. https://www.google.com/search

by srs0001 12y ago

I don't think the condescending tone is necessary—there are actually about ten million links if you spell organization correctly. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22People%2C+Organisation%2C+Support%2C+Training%2C+Equipment+and+Doctrine%22#q=People,+Organization,+Support,+Training,+Equipment+and+Doctrine https://www.google.com/search?q=%22People%2C+Organisation%2C... EDIT: Removed quotes.

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andymcsherry 12y ago
While the condescending tone is unnecessary, logicallee is right. There are actually zero links, Google just removes the quotes and shows results for that. None of them seem to have all the words together or the acronym. Just random occurrences of words on the page, and it's predominantly military documents.
- NamTaf 12y ago
  That's because the military are actually really good at doing systems engineering, because it's all about writing requirements specifications, managing acquisitions and testing for delivery against requirements which is the military's bread and butter. Most of my experience in this area has been workign for ex-military people. NASA are also really good at it, and they publish a handbook on it which is very good: (warning: 8.1MB PDF) http://foiaelibrary.gsfc.nasa.gov/_assets/doclibBidder/tech_docs/5.%20NASA%20SP-6105%20Rev%201%20%28Sys%20Eng%20Handbook%29.pdf http://foiaelibrary.gsfc.nasa.gov/_assets/doclibBidder/tech_... They may not refer to the acronym "POSTED" exactly, but said acronym is what I learned and I thought highlighted the scope of what a system covers, specifically that it is not just the equipment i.e.: software. In the NASA SE Handbook, page 3 says the following, which essentially maps across to what I described: "A “system” is a construct or collection of different elements that together produce results not obtainable by the elements alone. The elements, or parts, can include people, hardware, software, facilities, policies, and documents; that is, all things required to produce system-level results."
  - jcurbo 12y ago
    The problem is that the equivalent (US) military acronym is "DOTMLPF" - Doctrine, Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership, Personnel, Facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF I'm a systems engineer that works for the military and I've never heard of "POSTED", it may be a NASA thing since they kinda have their own flavor of SE.
    - NamTaf 12y ago
      I'm AU and the guys I deal with are ex-ADF so I don't know. I'm glad that there's a wiki link for that one though, that helps when I next have to reference it :) Same idea either way - the system is far more than just the equipment/technology.
      - jcurbo 12y ago
        Oh sure, definitely. I should have said the "US" equivalent is DOTMLPF. I edited my post to reflect that. The idea is definitely the same though.
- zyx321 12y ago
  I'm seeing one [relevant] link, an Australian senate hearing regarding the "Defence Legislation Amendment (Aid to Civilian Authorities) Bill 2006". This confirms my initial suspicion that it probably originated from some sort of military handbook - you can the pretty much tell by usage of the word "doctrine" alone. EDIT: To be precise, I see [1], plus two mirrors of it, plus two links back here, but only from my phone. On my desktop I get zero results. [1] http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-13%2F0151;query=Id%3Achamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-13%2F0000 http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w...
- Ironchefpython 12y ago
  Actually, I'm seeing this comment page for the top link on Google for the search terms: "People Organization Support Training Equipment Doctrine POSTED" We DID IT! We made it a THING!
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paulannesley 12y ago
s/correctly/in the corrupted American form/
- ewood 12y ago
  s/corrupted/alternate/ I favour (!) British spelling too but 'organization' is more correct in the etymological sense as it derives from the latin 'organizo'. The British form is in a way a corruption itself because it favours 'ise' as it is easier than learning the etymology. 'Oxford Spelling' is an etymologically correct variant of British spelling.
rbsn 12y ago
He did spell organisation correctly, just used British rather than of American English.

by srs0001 12y ago

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andymcsherry 12y ago

While the condescending tone is unnecessary, logicallee is right. There are actually zero links, Google just removes the quotes and shows results for that. None of them seem to have all the words together or the acronym. Just random occurrences of words on the page, and it's predominantly military documents.

NamTaf 12y ago
That's because the military are actually really good at doing systems engineering, because it's all about writing requirements specifications, managing acquisitions and testing for delivery against requirements which is the military's bread and butter. Most of my experience in this area has been workign for ex-military people. NASA are also really good at it, and they publish a handbook on it which is very good: (warning: 8.1MB PDF) http://foiaelibrary.gsfc.nasa.gov/_assets/doclibBidder/tech_docs/5.%20NASA%20SP-6105%20Rev%201%20%28Sys%20Eng%20Handbook%29.pdf http://foiaelibrary.gsfc.nasa.gov/_assets/doclibBidder/tech_... They may not refer to the acronym "POSTED" exactly, but said acronym is what I learned and I thought highlighted the scope of what a system covers, specifically that it is not just the equipment i.e.: software. In the NASA SE Handbook, page 3 says the following, which essentially maps across to what I described: "A “system” is a construct or collection of different elements that together produce results not obtainable by the elements alone. The elements, or parts, can include people, hardware, software, facilities, policies, and documents; that is, all things required to produce system-level results."
- jcurbo 12y ago
  The problem is that the equivalent (US) military acronym is "DOTMLPF" - Doctrine, Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership, Personnel, Facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOTMLPF I'm a systems engineer that works for the military and I've never heard of "POSTED", it may be a NASA thing since they kinda have their own flavor of SE.
  - NamTaf 12y ago
    I'm AU and the guys I deal with are ex-ADF so I don't know. I'm glad that there's a wiki link for that one though, that helps when I next have to reference it :) Same idea either way - the system is far more than just the equipment/technology.
    - jcurbo 12y ago
      Oh sure, definitely. I should have said the "US" equivalent is DOTMLPF. I edited my post to reflect that. The idea is definitely the same though.
zyx321 12y ago
I'm seeing one [relevant] link, an Australian senate hearing regarding the "Defence Legislation Amendment (Aid to Civilian Authorities) Bill 2006". This confirms my initial suspicion that it probably originated from some sort of military handbook - you can the pretty much tell by usage of the word "doctrine" alone. EDIT: To be precise, I see [1], plus two mirrors of it, plus two links back here, but only from my phone. On my desktop I get zero results. [1] http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-13%2F0151;query=Id%3Achamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-13%2F0000 http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w...
Ironchefpython 12y ago
Actually, I'm seeing this comment page for the top link on Google for the search terms: "People Organization Support Training Equipment Doctrine POSTED" We DID IT! We made it a THING!

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paulannesley 12y ago

s/correctly/in the corrupted American form/

ewood 12y ago
s/corrupted/alternate/ I favour (!) British spelling too but 'organization' is more correct in the etymological sense as it derives from the latin 'organizo'. The British form is in a way a corruption itself because it favours 'ise' as it is easier than learning the etymology. 'Oxford Spelling' is an etymologically correct variant of British spelling.

rbsn 12y ago

He did spell organisation correctly, just used British rather than of American English.