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Kevin Rose: How to Take Your Site from One to One Million Users

65 points by tdedecko 17y ago

bastian 17y ago
Kevin is a great Entrepreneur but it strikes me that we have heard this a million times before. There is some value for someone who is either very young and/or very inexperienced.
Maciek416 17y ago
It's worth noting that Kevin himself didn't use these tricks to go from "one to one million", and already had many fans and lots of momentum by the time Digg was launched. He was already a celebrity of sorts and even used his later appearances on the Screensavers show to plug Digg.
- bastian 17y ago
  It is interesting that not many people talk about this personal brand or reputation building when it comes to successful Entrepreneurs.
  - chriskelley 17y ago
    Gary Vaynerchuck has been trying to get that in the heads of anyone that will listen for the last few years.
    - bastian 17y ago
      This is a very good and interesting point. While a mediocre product might not necessarily become a success just because it was launched by a person with a strong personal brand, it might however give that person the advantage of better and more initial visibility, which might result in more feedback. A good Entrepreneur (regardless of a strong personal brand), is then able to listen and adjust to the true market needs.
      - chriskelley 17y ago
        Well put. Gary V has 852,497 followers on Twitter - any time he launches a new product/book/cruise, whatever, that's an immediate 852,497 pairs of eyeballs on his product. Now that's a great head start.
        bastian 17y ago
        I just realized that we both created our profile 573 days ago :)
        chriskelley 17y ago
        Nice - do you know Alex Housley? I've done a little bit of work with him and the Rummble.tv folks.
        bastian 17y ago
        Yes, i know Alex and Andrew, they are both good friends. You did the new Rummble intro right? Amazing work!
        chriskelley 17y ago
        Yes I did - thanks! I actually did the package for FOWA London 09 as well, which can be partially seen in the Kevin Rose vid. http://vimeo.com/album/132400 http://vimeo.com/album/132400
- sachinag 17y ago
  Honestly, this makes no sense. It doesn't matter how famous you are - if your product sucks, people won't use it. Look at Ashton Kutcher's Blah Girls. It's a miserable failure - even though he's much, much, much more famous than a mere Kevin Rose - because no one really needed to see cartoon girls do a weak TMZ imitation. I think people like to chalk up Digg's success to Kevin's "celebrity", where in reality, he's a nobody and Digg actually is a really, really good product for the niche it's serving.
  - bastian 17y ago
    I think one not necessarily has to do with the other. In this example Kevin simply used his existing network for the launch of Digg. I agree with you that Digg is a great product for the niche it is serving. That's why it is successful. Pownce on the other hand wasn't a good product and had limited success despite Kevin's efforts to push it.
    - mikeryan 17y ago
      I actually thought Pownce was an interesting product I'm actually kind of surprised it never took off, except it was too "Twitter-like" so it never got the network it needed to gain critical mass.
      - teej 17y ago
        Pownce's failure had very little to do with it being "Twitter-like". It failed because it didn't solve a problem that real people had. Launching a product that is similar to popular incumbents isn't a negative feature. In many cases, it can help your unique selling point. Mint: Quicken but online and great UI. Hacker News: Digg for startups. Digg: Slashdot by the people.
        RyanMcGreal 17y ago
        >Pownce's failure had very little to do with it being "Twitter-like". It failed because it didn't solve a problem that real people had. What problem does Twitter solve? (Not a rhetorical question)
lurkinggrue 17y ago
Start with a good idea and get lucky?
rosebud 17y ago
Finally, an insider's explanation for how Leah Culver got so "famous": #1. Ego 1. Ask yourself: Does this feature increase the users self-worth or stoke the ego?
vaksel 17y ago
if it's this simple, why didn't Pownce take off? Hell they even had access to all of digg's power, and still had to shut down. the reason digg took off was that he was more or less the first in that niche, and he had the power of his tv celebrity to drive that initial amount of early adopter traffic
- sammcd 17y ago
  I don't know if it really was about becoming first. I think Pownce just wasn't something that users really wanted. I think this backs up YC's idea of focussing on the product user's feedback. I think no amount of marketing seen here can fix the problem of a product people don't want.
- pclark 17y ago
  getting the users and getting them to keep coming back are different challenges
  - axod 17y ago
    Did Pownce do either of those things?
    - barredo 17y ago
      I guess it did. Remember Pownce was very popular back in 2007 and they added more features than Twitter had at that time. The matter was people didn't wanna write thing twice, one in twitter and one in pownce, and since twitter had more users than Pownce (don't know how many more), it "won the race".
jlees 17y ago
When listening to this talk I did have a moment of 'wtf' on the "Start a podcast" part. It's clearly a big part of Kevin's success - the whole rockstar celebrity diggnation thing. But how good are podcasts now? Any startups finding them effective? Or am I just biased because I have no attention span to listen to them, so automatically discount them? How about online video? Back when digg was young, podcasts were the thing; is video today's equivalent, or is it just 'being interesting on Twitter'?

65 points by tdedecko 17y ago

Kevin is a great Entrepreneur but it strikes me that we have heard this a million times before. There is some value for someone who is either very young and/or very inexperienced.

Maciek416 17y ago

It's worth noting that Kevin himself didn't use these tricks to go from "one to one million", and already had many fans and lots of momentum by the time Digg was launched. He was already a celebrity of sorts and even used his later appearances on the Screensavers show to plug Digg.

bastian 17y ago
It is interesting that not many people talk about this personal brand or reputation building when it comes to successful Entrepreneurs.
- chriskelley 17y ago
  Gary Vaynerchuck has been trying to get that in the heads of anyone that will listen for the last few years.
  - bastian 17y ago
    This is a very good and interesting point. While a mediocre product might not necessarily become a success just because it was launched by a person with a strong personal brand, it might however give that person the advantage of better and more initial visibility, which might result in more feedback. A good Entrepreneur (regardless of a strong personal brand), is then able to listen and adjust to the true market needs.
    - chriskelley 17y ago
      Well put. Gary V has 852,497 followers on Twitter - any time he launches a new product/book/cruise, whatever, that's an immediate 852,497 pairs of eyeballs on his product. Now that's a great head start.
      - bastian 17y ago
        I just realized that we both created our profile 573 days ago :)
        chriskelley 17y ago
        Nice - do you know Alex Housley? I've done a little bit of work with him and the Rummble.tv folks.
        bastian 17y ago
        Yes, i know Alex and Andrew, they are both good friends. You did the new Rummble intro right? Amazing work!
        chriskelley 17y ago
        Yes I did - thanks! I actually did the package for FOWA London 09 as well, which can be partially seen in the Kevin Rose vid. http://vimeo.com/album/132400 http://vimeo.com/album/132400
sachinag 17y ago
Honestly, this makes no sense. It doesn't matter how famous you are - if your product sucks, people won't use it. Look at Ashton Kutcher's Blah Girls. It's a miserable failure - even though he's much, much, much more famous than a mere Kevin Rose - because no one really needed to see cartoon girls do a weak TMZ imitation. I think people like to chalk up Digg's success to Kevin's "celebrity", where in reality, he's a nobody and Digg actually is a really, really good product for the niche it's serving.
- bastian 17y ago
  I think one not necessarily has to do with the other. In this example Kevin simply used his existing network for the launch of Digg. I agree with you that Digg is a great product for the niche it is serving. That's why it is successful. Pownce on the other hand wasn't a good product and had limited success despite Kevin's efforts to push it.
  - mikeryan 17y ago
    I actually thought Pownce was an interesting product I'm actually kind of surprised it never took off, except it was too "Twitter-like" so it never got the network it needed to gain critical mass.
    - teej 17y ago
      Pownce's failure had very little to do with it being "Twitter-like". It failed because it didn't solve a problem that real people had. Launching a product that is similar to popular incumbents isn't a negative feature. In many cases, it can help your unique selling point. Mint: Quicken but online and great UI. Hacker News: Digg for startups. Digg: Slashdot by the people.
      - RyanMcGreal 17y ago
        >Pownce's failure had very little to do with it being "Twitter-like". It failed because it didn't solve a problem that real people had. What problem does Twitter solve? (Not a rhetorical question)

lurkinggrue 17y ago

Start with a good idea and get lucky?

rosebud 17y ago

Finally, an insider's explanation for how Leah Culver got so "famous": #1. Ego 1. Ask yourself: Does this feature increase the users self-worth or stoke the ego?

vaksel 17y ago

if it's this simple, why didn't Pownce take off? Hell they even had access to all of digg's power, and still had to shut down. the reason digg took off was that he was more or less the first in that niche, and he had the power of his tv celebrity to drive that initial amount of early adopter traffic

sammcd 17y ago
I don't know if it really was about becoming first. I think Pownce just wasn't something that users really wanted. I think this backs up YC's idea of focussing on the product user's feedback. I think no amount of marketing seen here can fix the problem of a product people don't want.
pclark 17y ago
getting the users and getting them to keep coming back are different challenges
- axod 17y ago
  Did Pownce do either of those things?
  - barredo 17y ago
    I guess it did. Remember Pownce was very popular back in 2007 and they added more features than Twitter had at that time. The matter was people didn't wanna write thing twice, one in twitter and one in pownce, and since twitter had more users than Pownce (don't know how many more), it "won the race".

jlees 17y ago

When listening to this talk I did have a moment of 'wtf' on the "Start a podcast" part. It's clearly a big part of Kevin's success - the whole rockstar celebrity diggnation thing. But how good are podcasts now? Any startups finding them effective? Or am I just biased because I have no attention span to listen to them, so automatically discount them? How about online video? Back when digg was young, podcasts were the thing; is video today's equivalent, or is it just 'being interesting on Twitter'?