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> Zero adoption of personal digital signatures. Zilch. Nudda. See Estonia - http://e-estonia.com/component/digital-signature/ http://e-estonia.com/component/di

> Zero adoption of personal digital signatures. Zilch. Nudda. See Estonia - http://e-estonia.com/component/digital-signature/ http://e-estonia.com/component/digital-signature/

nly 12y ago
I admit, I'm being highly cynical. This system is great. The keys are state issued, so if you set your mind to level of paranoia where the state is trying to frame you for tax fraud, it's not beyond repudiation... but yeah, on balance it's likely a better system than being rolled out here in the UK[0]. Gov.uk 'Verify' involves four entities (the hub, the government department you're trying to use , you, and your chosen identity provider) and, from what I can tell, it's just glorified OpenID. [0] https://identityassurance.blog.gov.uk/2014/10/14/gov-uk-verify-public-beta/ https://identityassurance.blog.gov.uk/2014/10/14/gov-uk-veri...
toyg 12y ago
There has been piecemeal adoption of various "digital signature" technologies across Europe, but it's mostly limited to specific areas dealing with tax and government communications. Accountants and lawyers might have encountered this sort of tech at some point, but that's about it. Digital signatures are extremely disruptive of long-standing legislation, so they require excruciatingly slow rollouts anyway: first you have to change all laws dealing with contracts and identification, then you have to define what technology you're going to use (and pray it doesn't change in 2 years), then you have to modernize State infrastructure to deal with the new setup, then you have to persuade regular citizens to change their habits. And of course, as for all crypto schemes, the result will only be as strong as the weakest link in the chain (e.g. the Diginotar fiasco).
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  > then you have to persuade regular citizens to change their habits. And then you still need to have a backup procedure for elders, people in extreme poverty and others who for some reasons cannot use electronic solutions to interact with the government.
- Already__Taken 12y ago
  What's interesting from Estonia is they made the digital signature equal to a physical one in all ways and left consumer demand to drive the adoption because of its convenience and safety.
flexie 12y ago
Same in Denmark. The government issued digital signature are so widely used that close to 100 percent of all adults between 18-70 years use them and also a significant percent of the older population and of children (15 years and up). And not just for government websites. For banking, for signing contracts, etc. Now, the whole system is set up by the Danish government, so if you worry about government spying you probably won't find that signature very useful :-)
kaoD 12y ago
I'd like to see usage statistics. Spain deployed DNIe (mandatory national ID with an embedded certificate) but less than 5% of Spaniards use it due to lack of marketing and a very poor implementation. Would love to hear a success story :)

> Zero adoption of personal digital signatures. Zilch. Nudda. See Estonia - http://e-estonia.com/component/digital-signature/ http://e-estonia.com/component/digital-signature/

nly 12y ago

I admit, I'm being highly cynical. This system is great. The keys are state issued, so if you set your mind to level of paranoia where the state is trying to frame you for tax fraud, it's not beyond repudiation... but yeah, on balance it's likely a better system than being rolled out here in the UK[0]. Gov.uk 'Verify' involves four entities (the hub, the government department you're trying to use , you, and your chosen identity provider) and, from what I can tell, it's just glorified OpenID. [0] https://identityassurance.blog.gov.uk/2014/10/14/gov-uk-verify-public-beta/ https://identityassurance.blog.gov.uk/2014/10/14/gov-uk-veri...

toyg 12y ago

There has been piecemeal adoption of various "digital signature" technologies across Europe, but it's mostly limited to specific areas dealing with tax and government communications. Accountants and lawyers might have encountered this sort of tech at some point, but that's about it. Digital signatures are extremely disruptive of long-standing legislation, so they require excruciatingly slow rollouts anyway: first you have to change all laws dealing with contracts and identification, then you have to define what technology you're going to use (and pray it doesn't change in 2 years), then you have to modernize State infrastructure to deal with the new setup, then you have to persuade regular citizens to change their habits. And of course, as for all crypto schemes, the result will only be as strong as the weakest link in the chain (e.g. the Diginotar fiasco).

TeMPOraL 12y ago
> then you have to persuade regular citizens to change their habits. And then you still need to have a backup procedure for elders, people in extreme poverty and others who for some reasons cannot use electronic solutions to interact with the government.
Already__Taken 12y ago
What's interesting from Estonia is they made the digital signature equal to a physical one in all ways and left consumer demand to drive the adoption because of its convenience and safety.

flexie 12y ago

Same in Denmark. The government issued digital signature are so widely used that close to 100 percent of all adults between 18-70 years use them and also a significant percent of the older population and of children (15 years and up). And not just for government websites. For banking, for signing contracts, etc. Now, the whole system is set up by the Danish government, so if you worry about government spying you probably won't find that signature very useful :-)

kaoD 12y ago

I'd like to see usage statistics. Spain deployed DNIe (mandatory national ID with an embedded certificate) but less than 5% of Spaniards use it due to lack of marketing and a very poor implementation. Would love to hear a success story :)