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With the top voted post being "systemd haters have gone too far," I find it worth mentioning that there is no relation between approving of death threats and th
by pekk 12y ago
With the top voted post being "systemd haters have gone too far," I find it worth mentioning that there is no relation between approving of death threats and thinking a systemd monoculture is a bad idea.
Death threats are wrong. Victims aren't to blame for death threats. On the other hand, that doesn't do anything to redeem systemd or dismiss criticism of systemd.
Unfortunately, now the meme will be that critics of systemd are dangerous lunatics because of the death threats that most critics of systemd never made or approved of. This (and procedural irregularities, etc.) exemplify the ugly "total war" tone that was instrumental in pushing systemd through. The death threats are inexcusable. But the poor tone and bitter feelings have roots in what was done to get systemd where it is today.
And if you are telling critics of systemd, who have nothing to do with death threats that "[they] are not welcome anymore in the community" - you are not contributing to the improvement of the tone. You are waging total war.
- jqm 12y agoExactly. There are very valid arguments against systemd that have nothing to do with being a "hater".
- cbd1984 12y agoOK. So, given those valid arguments against it, which distros don't use systemd right now? Because it seems that it would be really easy for a new distro to gain users by simply not using systemd, and staying with SysV init or similar.
- uselessdguy 12y agoSlackware, Gentoo/Funtoo, CRUX, PCLinuxOS and all its derivatives. Then some more niche ones like Alpine Linux (which also eschews a lot of the GNU base system for alternatives) and Void Linux.
- tinco 12y agoI don't think that is true at this point. Books of criticisms on systemd have already been written. There isn't a maintainer out there who hasn't heard all of it. Yet many people still insist on bothering the community with this, it's become a burden. And it's not a burden because the criticisms are valid, it's a burden because the criticisms don't actually contribute anything. I think at this point it is safe to say that anyone voicing criticisms on systemd without contributing fixes or solutions to said problems is hostile to the Debian community, and should neither feel or be welcome. Feeling unwelcome is the only way these people will realise they will either have to solve the problem themselves, or start a new community.
- wtbob 12y ago> I think at this point it is safe to say that anyone voicing criticisms on systemd without contributing fixes or solutions to said problems is hostile to the Debian community, and should neither feel or be welcome. What the heck? Those criticising systemd have a fix, and a solution (two, even!): either don't use it, or use it but don't rely on it.