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"stuck" ? How was your init system choice enforced ? Did you have a gun pointed at your head ? Is there absolutely no working alternative ? You don't have to

by rakoo 12y ago

"stuck" ? How was your init system choice enforced ? Did you have a gun pointed at your head ? Is there absolutely no working alternative ? You don't have to use systemd. If you keep using it when there are other working systems and you don't like it, the fault is entirely yours.

timtadh 12y ago
> "Did you have a gun pointed at your head?" How did we get here? Because people on the internet continually use this highly charged language without regard. It is high time we as a community (at least on HN) commit to stop using such language. We don't need to use such language. We don't need it. We can easily make our points without it. For example: > "stuck"? There are many alternatives to systemd. There are many distributions which do not use it. While keeping with the intent, this replacement no longer uses the violent language and also no lessens the attack on the parent commenter. We should in general: 1. Not use violent language 2. Not attack commenters 3. Use non-adversarial language whenever possible.
rdtsc 12y ago
> You don't have to use systemd. Whatever the original problem was or the top link that is just not a viable solution. It is like saying "you don't have use libc, write your own". Or "Fine, Linus is a jerk, don't use the kernel, install minix but stop criticizing linux". Let's say I follow the advice and apt-get remove systemd from Ubuntu 14.10. It doesn't look good. It takes along with it gnome-session, gvfs, nautilus, network-manager, pulseaudio, ubunt-desktop, softare-center, update-manager, update-notifier and others. Have you tried doing, maybe I am doing something wrong and there is a easier way to replace it.
- pikzen 12y ago
  Don't use Ubuntu, a distro that has explicitly said that they were going to support systemd and abandon sysvinit ? One major problem is that gnome relies heavily on systemd. Good thing there are other DMs.
  - rdtsc 12y ago
    So now have to switch distro with its whole echo system. Wasn't that exactly the point of the argument -- how saying "just replace systemd" doesn't work and is not a realistic answer to any of the criticism?
esaym 12y ago
Perhaps. I was an early adopter. I switched because the news at the time was indeed, debian is switching and there will be no alternatives. It seems their will be some alternatives at least in the next release. Not sure about after that though. But too late, I already converted everything, not converting back.

by rakoo 12y ago

timtadh 12y ago

> "Did you have a gun pointed at your head?" How did we get here? Because people on the internet continually use this highly charged language without regard. It is high time we as a community (at least on HN) commit to stop using such language. We don't need to use such language. We don't need it. We can easily make our points without it. For example: > "stuck"? There are many alternatives to systemd. There are many distributions which do not use it. While keeping with the intent, this replacement no longer uses the violent language and also no lessens the attack on the parent commenter. We should in general: 1. Not use violent language 2. Not attack commenters 3. Use non-adversarial language whenever possible.

rdtsc 12y ago

> You don't have to use systemd. Whatever the original problem was or the top link that is just not a viable solution. It is like saying "you don't have use libc, write your own". Or "Fine, Linus is a jerk, don't use the kernel, install minix but stop criticizing linux". Let's say I follow the advice and apt-get remove systemd from Ubuntu 14.10. It doesn't look good. It takes along with it gnome-session, gvfs, nautilus, network-manager, pulseaudio, ubunt-desktop, softare-center, update-manager, update-notifier and others. Have you tried doing, maybe I am doing something wrong and there is a easier way to replace it.

pikzen 12y ago
Don't use Ubuntu, a distro that has explicitly said that they were going to support systemd and abandon sysvinit ? One major problem is that gnome relies heavily on systemd. Good thing there are other DMs.
- rdtsc 12y ago
  So now have to switch distro with its whole echo system. Wasn't that exactly the point of the argument -- how saying "just replace systemd" doesn't work and is not a realistic answer to any of the criticism?

esaym 12y ago

Perhaps. I was an early adopter. I switched because the news at the time was indeed, debian is switching and there will be no alternatives. It seems their will be some alternatives at least in the next release. Not sure about after that though. But too late, I already converted everything, not converting back.