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Maybe if there was a way to use it without modifier keys. Even using shift for caps is painful for me.

by cosarara97 12y ago

3rd3 12y ago
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers
jqgatsby 12y ago
On a kinesis keyboard all the emacs modifier keys are by your thumbs. It makes emacs so much more awesome
- bostonvaulter2 12y ago
  There's also optional foot petals.
  - fractalsea 12y ago
    Is this actually serious? I would actually really love that. Would save so much strain on my fingers and it would probably even give my legs a bit of a workout.
    - clarry 12y ago
      It's serious. Unfortunately I find it very difficult to use. The foot just isn't as flexible as the fingers. It's slow and cumbersome. Also, using it limits how much I can move around in/with my chair. I tried to get used to it, but my foot pedal is just collecting dust under the desk now.
- clarry 12y ago
  It's a shame the modifiers (shift included) like to get stuck on the Kinesis. Expensive pile of crap... If I had the money, I'd try out the Maltron 3D keyboard. I haven't heard about such problems with it. It also comes with a numpad in the middle, which I kinda miss in the Kinesis. It would be great for nethack, and something else.
blue1 12y ago
in OS X system preferences you can set sticky modifiers. I used it for a while with emacs, but finally abandoned it because, while easy on fingers, it tends to cause strange things if you start typing a combination and halfway you change your mind (you can just release a modifier key usually, but if you just typed it there is nothing you can do to undo it, except C-G).
- hollerith 12y ago
  When you wrote that, did you know that if the sticky-keys setting is set and you accidentally hit a modifier key, then you can undo that by hitting the key 2 more times? (I've been using OS X's sticky-keys setting with Emacs for years, BTW.)
  - blue1 12y ago
    Yes, I recall having noticed that, but still didn't feel very natural, probably because I use different systems (not all of them OS X even) and this complicates habit making.
pmoriarty 12y ago
There's evil-mode,[1][2] which is a fantastic vim-emulation mode for emacs. Using it, you'll get all the modal editing you're used to in vim. One user's transition from vim to emacs+evil was recently discussed here.[3][4] [1] - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil [2] - https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home [3] - http://juanjoalvarez.net.nyud.net/es/detail/2014/sep/19/vim-emacsevil-chaotic-migration-guide/ http://juanjoalvarez.net.nyud.net/es/detail/2014/sep/19/vim-... [4] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8581530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8581530
ostrichpepper2 12y ago
Evil-mode, god-mode and key-chord are a few that address the modifier issue. Re-mapping caps lock to ctrl is also immensely helpful.
jasonm23 12y ago
M-u - uppercase current string starting at point M-l - lowercase current string starting at point M-c - capitalize from current point to next word delimiter

Maybe if there was a way to use it without modifier keys. Even using shift for caps is painful for me.

3rd3 12y ago

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers

jqgatsby 12y ago

On a kinesis keyboard all the emacs modifier keys are by your thumbs. It makes emacs so much more awesome

bostonvaulter2 12y ago
There's also optional foot petals.
- fractalsea 12y ago
  Is this actually serious? I would actually really love that. Would save so much strain on my fingers and it would probably even give my legs a bit of a workout.
  - clarry 12y ago
    It's serious. Unfortunately I find it very difficult to use. The foot just isn't as flexible as the fingers. It's slow and cumbersome. Also, using it limits how much I can move around in/with my chair. I tried to get used to it, but my foot pedal is just collecting dust under the desk now.
clarry 12y ago
It's a shame the modifiers (shift included) like to get stuck on the Kinesis. Expensive pile of crap... If I had the money, I'd try out the Maltron 3D keyboard. I haven't heard about such problems with it. It also comes with a numpad in the middle, which I kinda miss in the Kinesis. It would be great for nethack, and something else.

blue1 12y ago

in OS X system preferences you can set sticky modifiers. I used it for a while with emacs, but finally abandoned it because, while easy on fingers, it tends to cause strange things if you start typing a combination and halfway you change your mind (you can just release a modifier key usually, but if you just typed it there is nothing you can do to undo it, except C-G).

hollerith 12y ago
When you wrote that, did you know that if the sticky-keys setting is set and you accidentally hit a modifier key, then you can undo that by hitting the key 2 more times? (I've been using OS X's sticky-keys setting with Emacs for years, BTW.)
- blue1 12y ago
  Yes, I recall having noticed that, but still didn't feel very natural, probably because I use different systems (not all of them OS X even) and this complicates habit making.

pmoriarty 12y ago

There's evil-mode,[1][2] which is a fantastic vim-emulation mode for emacs. Using it, you'll get all the modal editing you're used to in vim. One user's transition from vim to emacs+evil was recently discussed here.[3][4] [1] - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil [2] - https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home [3] - http://juanjoalvarez.net.nyud.net/es/detail/2014/sep/19/vim-emacsevil-chaotic-migration-guide/ http://juanjoalvarez.net.nyud.net/es/detail/2014/sep/19/vim-... [4] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8581530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8581530

ostrichpepper2 12y ago

Evil-mode, god-mode and key-chord are a few that address the modifier issue. Re-mapping caps lock to ctrl is also immensely helpful.

jasonm23 12y ago

M-u - uppercase current string starting at point M-l - lowercase current string starting at point M-c - capitalize from current point to next word delimiter