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In some places, not selling to police is illegal discrimination. For example, in California it is a violation of the Unruh Civil Rights Act. See Long v. Valent
by dalke 12y ago
In some places, not selling to police is illegal discrimination.
For example, in California it is a violation of the Unruh Civil Rights Act. See Long v. Valentino (1989). http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/66962 http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/66962 . A police offer attended a public ACLU meeting. Once the ACLU organizers discovered that this was the case, they told the officer to leave. The trial established that this was illegal discrimination under Unruh.
> And defendants' attorneys correctly agreed at oral argument that an announcement such as "You can't eat in my diner because you are a lawyer, bricklayer, female, or Indian chief" would be actionable under the Unruh Act, although words alone were the means employed to effect unlawful discrimination. (See Koire v. Metro Car Wash (1985) 40 Cal.3d 24, 35-36 [219 Cal.Rptr. 133, 707 P.2d 195]; Marina Point, Ltd. v. Wolfson (1982) 30 Cal.3d 721, 726 [180 Cal.Rptr. 496, 640 P.2d 115, 30 A.L.R.4th 1161].) Nevertheless, defendants do urge an exception for on duty police officers, a proposition we consider in the following section.
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> At the same time, however, police officers are literally on duty 24 hours a day under California law. (See People v. Corey (1978) 21 Cal.3d 738, 746 [147 Cal.Rptr. 639, 581 P.2d 644]; People v. Derby (1960) 177 Cal.App.2d 626, 631 [2 Cal.Rptr. 401]; Pen. Code, ?? 142, 830.1.) And they are as much entitled to the protections of the Unruh Act as any other citizen. They may not be refused service in a restaurant, denied an apartment, or ejected from a public meeting merely because of their occupation, whether working a shift or on vacation. We find defendants' position on this point, at least as articulated at oral argument, to be as reprehensible as the police abuses decried above. Police officers as individuals have rights, too, and can bring actions for violations of those rights even though their injury has arisen in some way related to the performance of their duties. (City of Long Beach v. Bozek (1982) 31 Cal.3d 527, 538, fn. 9 [183 Cal.Rptr. 86, 645 P.2d 137].)
> A somewhat different problem is presented by the contention that a police officer on a mission to spy on individuals and organizations holding a public meeting may be excluded, however. We agree that is not quite the same as refusing to serve a beat cop a cup of coffee because the owner does not like police. ...
BTW, compare your "Don't talk to them at all when they are off duty." to the above mention that they are "literally on duty 24 hours a day".
- spiritplumber 12y agoYou can say "I do not feel safe interacting with someone who has a firearm, please come back without". That means you have to be consistent about it, of course, and also kick out other members of the public who have a weapon. That's legitimate because it has nothing to do with race, gender, ethnicity, or occupation - a lot of stores have "no firearms allowed" signs, you just have to add "absolutely no exceptions". It's also the same logic behind asset forfeiture... you don't have a problem with a person, you have a problem with a thing. So, +1 to poetic justice I guess. If your business is internet-only, I guess it doesn't work.
- dalke 12y agoWhile it's true that some police officers do carry a gun, not all do so. Your original call was "Don't sell to police", not "Don't sell to those carrying a gun." You are using that as a proxy workaround. However, it likely won't work as I believe the laws regarding "no firearms allowed" signs exempt law enforcement from following those signs. (Consider, for example, the difficulty of entering a business where the business owner is sniping passer-bys and has also posted "no firearms allowed" signs on the entrances.) FWIW, the Unruh Civil Rights Act is broader in scope than Title III of the Civil Rights Act, which I believe is what you are referring to. For example, it also includes discrimination against someone "who wore long hair and dressed in an unconventional manner". My point remains: it may be illegal for a business to discriminate against someone based on their occupation. It's best to check with the laws before carrying out your proposed social rejection scheme, if only to have an idea of the possible consequences.