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I still don't get it. Who is currently experiencing the problems that the proposals for net neutrality aim to solve?

Igglyboo 12y ago
No one yet, other than maybe the netflix throttling that some experience. The problem if this isn't nipped in the bud now it could become much worse.
- quanticle 12y ago
  Are you forgetting about how Comcast heavily throttled BitTorrent before the same sort of public outcry caused them to walk back their strategy?
  - Igglyboo 12y ago
    No, but that was under the guise of preventing piracy while netflix is clearly not illegal so it's more applicable to the net neutrality debate.
shmerl 12y ago
Recent Netflix problems were caused by ISPs behaviour that otherwise could be prohibited. Other examples of ISPs violating net neutrality is charging different rates for different traffic on mobile networks. For instance, T-Mobile says your plan is unlimited as long as traffic goes to / from the primary device (such as your handset). But if you connect secondary device through it (for example through WiFi hotspot), your traffic will be treated differently and you'll have a monthly cap. Discriminating traffic is exactly the problem that net neutrality rules are supposed to prevent.
- twoodfin 12y ago
  Recent Netflix problems were caused by ISPs behaviour that otherwise could be prohibited. Howso? It's a pretty broad reading of NN that would force Comcast to build beefier connections to Level 3 and Cogent in common data centers. I'd be very interested to hear the interpretation of any currently proposed NN policy that would have resolved that dispute in a positive way for Netflix.
  - shmerl 12y ago
    > Howso? Because they did it for non technical reasons, i.e. just because they could. They abused their monopolistic control in order to extort money from Netflix. Net neutrality should address such abuse, but the problem here is not so much in definition of such behavior as in its detection, since there is hardly any transparency in what is going on.
splitrocket 12y ago
Do yourself a favor and google "bypass throttling", or better yet, VPN into a server with a real internet connection and try out Netflix or Youtube and be astounded by the difference, even with the encryption overhead. http://lifehacker.com/use-a-vpn-to-bypass-your-isps-throttling-of-netflix-or-1608538080 http://lifehacker.com/use-a-vpn-to-bypass-your-isps-throttli...

No one yet, other than maybe the netflix throttling that some experience. The problem if this isn't nipped in the bud now it could become much worse.

quanticle 12y ago
Are you forgetting about how Comcast heavily throttled BitTorrent before the same sort of public outcry caused them to walk back their strategy?
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  No, but that was under the guise of preventing piracy while netflix is clearly not illegal so it's more applicable to the net neutrality debate.

shmerl 12y ago

Recent Netflix problems were caused by ISPs behaviour that otherwise could be prohibited. Other examples of ISPs violating net neutrality is charging different rates for different traffic on mobile networks. For instance, T-Mobile says your plan is unlimited as long as traffic goes to / from the primary device (such as your handset). But if you connect secondary device through it (for example through WiFi hotspot), your traffic will be treated differently and you'll have a monthly cap. Discriminating traffic is exactly the problem that net neutrality rules are supposed to prevent.

twoodfin 12y ago
Recent Netflix problems were caused by ISPs behaviour that otherwise could be prohibited. Howso? It's a pretty broad reading of NN that would force Comcast to build beefier connections to Level 3 and Cogent in common data centers. I'd be very interested to hear the interpretation of any currently proposed NN policy that would have resolved that dispute in a positive way for Netflix.
- shmerl 12y ago
  > Howso? Because they did it for non technical reasons, i.e. just because they could. They abused their monopolistic control in order to extort money from Netflix. Net neutrality should address such abuse, but the problem here is not so much in definition of such behavior as in its detection, since there is hardly any transparency in what is going on.

splitrocket 12y ago

Do yourself a favor and google "bypass throttling", or better yet, VPN into a server with a real internet connection and try out Netflix or Youtube and be astounded by the difference, even with the encryption overhead. http://lifehacker.com/use-a-vpn-to-bypass-your-isps-throttling-of-netflix-or-1608538080 http://lifehacker.com/use-a-vpn-to-bypass-your-isps-throttli...