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A possible side effect to this, could be avoiding ads in Gmail[1], even though I fear it to be an urban legend.. 1: http://lifehacker.com/5330642/massacre-gmai

A possible side effect to this, could be avoiding ads in Gmail[1], even though I fear it to be an urban legend.. 1: http://lifehacker.com/5330642/massacre-gmail-ads-with-these-two-sentences-and-some-tragic-words http://lifehacker.com/5330642/massacre-gmail-ads-with-these-...

wcummings 12y ago
You could also use a paid provider that doesn't show ads
- joering2 12y ago
  Alternatively setup your own free mailserver. Its always been a puzzle to me why so many people just don't own their own mailserver, just like you "own" your mail box at your property. You can use spamassasin which is as good as they come. Problem solved.
  - garbage_ 12y ago
    Maybe I want to actually recieve email?
  - DangerousPie 12y ago
    Maybe this has changed recently, but last time I checked there was no self-hosted email client that even came close to the great UI that Gmail offers.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
      Isn't Gmail's UI overrated? What's wrong with Mail.app? It doesn't have Gmail's horrendous new Compose UI, and it has threading.
      - mschuster91 12y ago
        Not everyone here uses Macs, and Thunderbird is, while an excellent mailclient, no match for the Gmail UI when on the road (e.g. internet cafe, a friend's computer)...
        TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
        Yeah, unfortunately there is a dearth of decent email clients. :(
        mschuster91 12y ago
        I'd love a web version of Thunderbird. Hmmm...
  - macNchz 12y ago
    I'm not a sysadmin, but I'm a software engineer generally pretty comfortable doing ops stuff...and I'm pretty daunted by the thought of running my own email server. Beyond the setup(1), which isn't child's play, there's ongoing maintenance, possible issues with deliverability, security concerns, availability concerns (what if my server goes down while I'm off the grid on vacation and all my emails bounce for a week?). Basically it's an awful lot of effort for...not much reward, in my opinion. 1. http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
    - Alupis 12y ago
      you could just install Zimbra (on it's own box/vm) -- it's pretty maintenance free unless you require some custom configs. Just make sure you keep the OS updated, and when Zimbra has an update, do it quickly. you still will have to setup MX records and A records in DNS... but that's not too tough. Also you could get a backup MX service for like $10 a month to ensure you never bounce emails if you go down (you won't really bounce anything until after being down for 48 hours anyways, most email services will retry up to 48 hours then give up).
    - meowface 12y ago
      For a personal mail server, it really isn't that hard and isn't much more work than setting up an HTTP server. Obviously if you're going to be a mail admin for an organization you'll need to put more work into it, but propping up postfix and some mail frontend on a personal server is pretty easy. No frontend you use will ever be as useful and simple as a big webmail provider's (like Gmail), but just ensuring successful delivery and receipt of mail really isn't that hard unless your server happens to be in some IP space with poor reputation. If it was that hard, email would be a lot more broken than it currently is.
  - amirmc 12y ago
    The mailbox at your house doesn't require security patches, trouble-shooting, upgrade cycles, and that's just the software stack itself. When you get to the issue of blacklisting/deliverability that's a whole new set of problems. Ultimately, I do want to run my own email server but not until it's a lot closer to 'fire-and-forget' (which for me, will be something Unikernel-based).
    - Alupis 12y ago
      Zimbra is pretty much what you are after it sounds like. Just set it up once, and it just works. Just keep the OS updated and install any updates Zimbra releases. There is some manual work to get it going up front, but it's not hard. The only way you can guarantee your email is kept private and not shared to any gov't agency or anything is to run it yourself. Then at least they have to serve you directly to get your emails ;P
      - egb 12y ago
        What kind of a box do you really need for that, though? The requirements seem to say 4G of RAM, which seems to demand a big VPS or a dedicated box... (would be $40/month for a 4G RAM VPS at digital ocean or Linode)
        fpgaminer 12y ago
        Take a look at https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox It's not production ready yet, but it aims to be suitable for cheap VPS (current requirement is 1G of RAM, IIRC).
        Alupis 12y ago
        admittedly it's intended as corporate email server - ie. MS Exchange replacement. You can run it with less ram, things will just be slower, however if you only have a few accounts, it may not be a big deal. I like it because they package all the components you need: postfix, mariadb, web ui frontend, spammassasian, etc all together and you don't have to do any configurations other than the initial setup script it comes with.
  - davidgerard 12y ago
    For me, it's because GMail is hands-down the best email client I have EVER used. For comparison, I have used at length on a daily basis Pine, Elm, Agent, Mutt, Thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes and GMail. GMail is so stupidly better I can hardly believe nobody's done a decent fat-client imitation.
    - lwhalen 12y ago
      Check out Roundcube. Maybe not 100% GMail, but still light-years ahead of the MUAs you listed.
    - jordigh 12y ago
      You mean something like mailpile? https://www.mailpile.is/ https://www.mailpile.is/
      - dingaling 12y ago
        > You mean something like mailpile? Looks good as a client but they have some issues with / absence of STARTTLS support ( for both IMAP and SMTP ) at the beta stage, so I would advise people against using it outside a controlled or test environment right now https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/1092 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/1092 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/868 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/868 And here are the beta notes: https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/wiki/Release-Notes-201409-Beta https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/wiki/Release-Notes-2014... "Does not yet recognize whether messages are "new" or already read" So not quite ready as a drop-in replacement.
    - taeric 12y ago
      Oddly, I used to feel the same. I recall vaguely liking Mutt back in the day, but I really liked gmail. Especially with the keyboard shortcuts enabled (and without... I actually hate it). Not that surprisingly, the lure of emacs really hit me and I find gnus to be a better interface now. Much better.
      - davidgerard 12y ago
  - divegeek 12y ago
    BTDT and it was a huge relief when I moved my domain to Google Apps and started using Gmail. Unless it's gotten hugely more effective than it was a few years ago, Spamassassin is nowhere near as good as Gmail at recognizing spam, and spamfighting was the biggest of many chores involved in running my own server. I was constantly having to tweak and refine things to keep my spam filtering effective. I don't miss running my own MTA. At all.
    - dingaling 12y ago
      As a counterpoint my home mail server has no spam filtering at all, and I receive at most 10 items of spam per year. Instead I spend time tweaking fun stuff on my mail server, like setting-up X.509 user certificate-based authentication instead of IDs and passwords. And transparent on-server S/MIME [ de|en ]cryption using Anubis. Stuff that the big mass-market providers won't implement.

wcummings 12y ago

You could also use a paid provider that doesn't show ads

joering2 12y ago
Alternatively setup your own free mailserver. Its always been a puzzle to me why so many people just don't own their own mailserver, just like you "own" your mail box at your property. You can use spamassasin which is as good as they come. Problem solved.
- garbage_ 12y ago
  Maybe I want to actually recieve email?
- DangerousPie 12y ago
  Maybe this has changed recently, but last time I checked there was no self-hosted email client that even came close to the great UI that Gmail offers.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
    Isn't Gmail's UI overrated? What's wrong with Mail.app? It doesn't have Gmail's horrendous new Compose UI, and it has threading.
    - mschuster91 12y ago
      Not everyone here uses Macs, and Thunderbird is, while an excellent mailclient, no match for the Gmail UI when on the road (e.g. internet cafe, a friend's computer)...
      - TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
        Yeah, unfortunately there is a dearth of decent email clients. :(
        mschuster91 12y ago
        I'd love a web version of Thunderbird. Hmmm...
- macNchz 12y ago
  I'm not a sysadmin, but I'm a software engineer generally pretty comfortable doing ops stuff...and I'm pretty daunted by the thought of running my own email server. Beyond the setup(1), which isn't child's play, there's ongoing maintenance, possible issues with deliverability, security concerns, availability concerns (what if my server goes down while I'm off the grid on vacation and all my emails bounce for a week?). Basically it's an awful lot of effort for...not much reward, in my opinion. 1. http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
  - Alupis 12y ago
    you could just install Zimbra (on it's own box/vm) -- it's pretty maintenance free unless you require some custom configs. Just make sure you keep the OS updated, and when Zimbra has an update, do it quickly. you still will have to setup MX records and A records in DNS... but that's not too tough. Also you could get a backup MX service for like $10 a month to ensure you never bounce emails if you go down (you won't really bounce anything until after being down for 48 hours anyways, most email services will retry up to 48 hours then give up).
  - meowface 12y ago
    For a personal mail server, it really isn't that hard and isn't much more work than setting up an HTTP server. Obviously if you're going to be a mail admin for an organization you'll need to put more work into it, but propping up postfix and some mail frontend on a personal server is pretty easy. No frontend you use will ever be as useful and simple as a big webmail provider's (like Gmail), but just ensuring successful delivery and receipt of mail really isn't that hard unless your server happens to be in some IP space with poor reputation. If it was that hard, email would be a lot more broken than it currently is.
- amirmc 12y ago
  The mailbox at your house doesn't require security patches, trouble-shooting, upgrade cycles, and that's just the software stack itself. When you get to the issue of blacklisting/deliverability that's a whole new set of problems. Ultimately, I do want to run my own email server but not until it's a lot closer to 'fire-and-forget' (which for me, will be something Unikernel-based).
  - Alupis 12y ago
    Zimbra is pretty much what you are after it sounds like. Just set it up once, and it just works. Just keep the OS updated and install any updates Zimbra releases. There is some manual work to get it going up front, but it's not hard. The only way you can guarantee your email is kept private and not shared to any gov't agency or anything is to run it yourself. Then at least they have to serve you directly to get your emails ;P
    - egb 12y ago
      What kind of a box do you really need for that, though? The requirements seem to say 4G of RAM, which seems to demand a big VPS or a dedicated box... (would be $40/month for a 4G RAM VPS at digital ocean or Linode)
      - fpgaminer 12y ago
        Take a look at https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox It's not production ready yet, but it aims to be suitable for cheap VPS (current requirement is 1G of RAM, IIRC).
      - Alupis 12y ago
        admittedly it's intended as corporate email server - ie. MS Exchange replacement. You can run it with less ram, things will just be slower, however if you only have a few accounts, it may not be a big deal. I like it because they package all the components you need: postfix, mariadb, web ui frontend, spammassasian, etc all together and you don't have to do any configurations other than the initial setup script it comes with.
- davidgerard 12y ago
  For me, it's because GMail is hands-down the best email client I have EVER used. For comparison, I have used at length on a daily basis Pine, Elm, Agent, Mutt, Thunderbird, Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes and GMail. GMail is so stupidly better I can hardly believe nobody's done a decent fat-client imitation.
  - lwhalen 12y ago
    Check out Roundcube. Maybe not 100% GMail, but still light-years ahead of the MUAs you listed.
  - jordigh 12y ago
    You mean something like mailpile? https://www.mailpile.is/ https://www.mailpile.is/
    - dingaling 12y ago
      > You mean something like mailpile? Looks good as a client but they have some issues with / absence of STARTTLS support ( for both IMAP and SMTP ) at the beta stage, so I would advise people against using it outside a controlled or test environment right now https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/1092 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/1092 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/868 https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/issues/868 And here are the beta notes: https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/wiki/Release-Notes-201409-Beta https://github.com/pagekite/Mailpile/wiki/Release-Notes-2014... "Does not yet recognize whether messages are "new" or already read" So not quite ready as a drop-in replacement.
  - taeric 12y ago
    Oddly, I used to feel the same. I recall vaguely liking Mutt back in the day, but I really liked gmail. Especially with the keyboard shortcuts enabled (and without... I actually hate it). Not that surprisingly, the lure of emacs really hit me and I find gnus to be a better interface now. Much better.
    - davidgerard 12y ago
- divegeek 12y ago
  BTDT and it was a huge relief when I moved my domain to Google Apps and started using Gmail. Unless it's gotten hugely more effective than it was a few years ago, Spamassassin is nowhere near as good as Gmail at recognizing spam, and spamfighting was the biggest of many chores involved in running my own server. I was constantly having to tweak and refine things to keep my spam filtering effective. I don't miss running my own MTA. At all.
  - dingaling 12y ago
    As a counterpoint my home mail server has no spam filtering at all, and I receive at most 10 items of spam per year. Instead I spend time tweaking fun stuff on my mail server, like setting-up X.509 user certificate-based authentication instead of IDs and passwords. And transparent on-server S/MIME [ de|en ]cryption using Anubis. Stuff that the big mass-market providers won't implement.