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convincing of what? Someone said that renewables aren't viable because they are subsidized. I said that fossil fuels are also subsidized so that is an odd argum

by jshen 12y ago

convincing of what? Someone said that renewables aren't viable because they are subsidized. I said that fossil fuels are also subsidized so that is an odd argument to make. I've shown that fossil fuels do get subsidies. I'm not sure what you are going on about.

SilasX 12y ago
You asserted that they get subsidies. The subsidies turned out to be largely a) (1) not double taxing them, and b) (3) a tax code clarification that exploration costs are valid expenses. If you want to establish that oil gets subsidies, please be specific about what they are so that I can learn more about them and confirm it is not simply a case of "something everyone gets".
- jshen 12y ago
  https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011/05/05/9663/big-oils-misbegotten-tax-gusher/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011...
  - SilasX 12y ago
    The thread started with you giving a link that I had to digest before realizing it didn't say what you claimed. Now you're giving another link to a less neutral source. Suggestion: learn legit example of oil subsidies and describe them in your own words so that I can first vet whether that would count as a subsidy before reading further.
    - jshen 12y ago
      It did say what I claimed, fossil fuels are subsidized. You want to add a qualification that isolates special subsidies that the fossil fuel industry gets which aren't stanfard for all businesses. That's a useful distinction and my second link breaks down some of the specific subsidies. You can read it or not, it's up to you. I'm not your personal summarizer. I'm confident tab intelligent people reading this will agree that the fossil fuel industry is subsidized.
      - SilasX 12y ago
        Yes: when someone tells me X is subsidized, I expect to hear about something the X industry gets that others don't. Because that's what the term means. It's not enough to tell me "X makers get to deduct expenses! Clutch the pearls!"

by jshen 12y ago

SilasX 12y ago

You asserted that they get subsidies. The subsidies turned out to be largely a) (1) not double taxing them, and b) (3) a tax code clarification that exploration costs are valid expenses. If you want to establish that oil gets subsidies, please be specific about what they are so that I can learn more about them and confirm it is not simply a case of "something everyone gets".

jshen 12y ago
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011/05/05/9663/big-oils-misbegotten-tax-gusher/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011...
- SilasX 12y ago
  The thread started with you giving a link that I had to digest before realizing it didn't say what you claimed. Now you're giving another link to a less neutral source. Suggestion: learn legit example of oil subsidies and describe them in your own words so that I can first vet whether that would count as a subsidy before reading further.
  - jshen 12y ago
    It did say what I claimed, fossil fuels are subsidized. You want to add a qualification that isolates special subsidies that the fossil fuel industry gets which aren't stanfard for all businesses. That's a useful distinction and my second link breaks down some of the specific subsidies. You can read it or not, it's up to you. I'm not your personal summarizer. I'm confident tab intelligent people reading this will agree that the fossil fuel industry is subsidized.
    - SilasX 12y ago
      Yes: when someone tells me X is subsidized, I expect to hear about something the X industry gets that others don't. Because that's what the term means. It's not enough to tell me "X makers get to deduct expenses! Clutch the pearls!"