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I am deeply aware of the minutiae of the conflict. Crimea's status was indeed complex which is why independence with a strong Russian bent would have been acce
by mtrimpe 12y ago
I am deeply aware of the minutiae of the conflict.
Crimea's status was indeed complex which is why independence with a strong Russian bent would have been acceptable by all international players. In 2014 there is no excuse though for straight-up military annexation under false pretences without the slightest hint of respect for international law.
In the end the populist appeal of healing the wound of a 'lost Crimea,' as you so aptly demonstrate, won over from respecting international norms, something which can aptly be called reckless and suicidal just by itself.
Concerning the Donbass all of the world except for one country is remarkably clear on how the conflict came about.
Just like happened in Georgia and Moldavia, Russian-backed forces were sent in to inflame moderate ethnic tensions and use unmarked mercenaries supported by surplus Russian military material to turn the conflict violent and eventually create a frozen conflict allowing Russia to prevent NATO expansion and exert geopolitical control over the region.
In Ukraine that almost worked again except that MH17 drew international attention at an inopportune time giving Ukraine the time to mobilise a counter-attack eventually causing the Russian regular army to have to be sent in unmarked to keep the conflict going which led the global community to escalate its economic warfare to the point where the intent became to cripple the Russian economy to the point of unsustainability... which sounds even more reckless and suicidal to me.
Also notice that nowhere do you hear me arguing it's okay for Ukrainian forces to fire shells at Russian positions which strategically locate themselves next to urban targets. The conflict is intensely brutal with both sides indiscriminately firing shells and rockets into civilian areas and well documented evidence of even Russian forces sending false-flag shells into their own civilian areas and even more evidence of the Ukrainian army using that as a permanent excuse for inappropriate and overreaching bombing...
And as far as finger pointing goes; I'm pointing at the Russian government. I have however also been deeply shocked by the degree to which the Russian population considers annexation of a region an OK-ish thing and directly causing the loss of several thousands of lives through escalating a conflict by military intervention a 'complex issue.'
- sologoub 12y agoWow, and I thought I had a bias for having relatives close to the conflict... A citation or two or three would be nice on all of this, as I do not share many of your assumptions. That said, without being there first hand, I don't think one could really know the truth. Not sure if you read Russian, but here's more "entertainment" on the subject of MH17: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/14/boeing/ http://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/14/boeing/. On the subject of MH17, it's really appalling how the media and people discussing it seem to focus on the Ukrainian conflict and not on the loss of life here itself or even on the people working to fight AIDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Passengers_and_crew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Pas....
- mtrimpe 12y agoI know I would get down-voted because of the display of emotion there but you replying with the Su-25 conspiracy theory which has been debunked ad-nauseam just really further makes my point. Pretty much everything I shared is fairly common knowledge/sense with Occam's Razor applied to geopolitics. I'd be interested in which of the 'assumptions' you don't share. And about the MH17 loss of life... I'm Dutch. I have close friends who lost close friends there. I feel the loss. I'm just even more sad that they even died mostly in vain.
- sologoub 12y agoI'm sorry for their loss! For the "entertainment" remark, I find the various theories somewhere between insulting and criminal, because that airspace is so tightly controlled, both NATO and Russia know what happened, but neither side is coming forth with concrete evidence for various reasons that do not serve justice. The reason I linked to it is to illustrate how ridiculous the entire situation is.
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