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Relaying for xan: Part of my reason for being so hellbent upon proliferating tänzer is to improve the state of affairs for Tcl's perception by the wider commun

by mst 12y ago

Relaying for xan: Part of my reason for being so hellbent upon proliferating tänzer is to improve the state of affairs for Tcl's perception by the wider community. It's a beautiful language, and a well-considered ecosystem. It never really ceased being that as it aged ever so gracefully, so I figure I shall become some larger-than-life PARTY HARD AND LISTEN TO BEAUTIFUL MUSIC! figurehead to spread some cheer and joy in the community and inspire some newfound personal pride in people's works.

forkandwait 12y ago
Tcl is my favorite scripting language for these five reasons: + It combines macro ish text substitution with really, really, really good scoping and loop constructs. + A built in event handler is awesome. + Tk widgets look just fine for the one off GUI that routinizes a single repetitive task. + (Surprisingly) I almost never need float math in a script, one of the things it's not good at. + Tcl doesn't try to provide what should be done in C anyway (Python, Perl, Ruby I'm looking at you....)
- a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
  > good scoping Wait, you like the upvar stuff?
  - forkandwait 12y ago
    Yes, because you rarely need upvar, but when you do, only tcl has it. Also, i know of no other language with macro like substitution along with real local variables.
  - xantronix 12y ago
    It's astounding the crap [upvar] lets you get away with, ESPECIALLY making your own loop constructs. I'd be boned without it for doing request parsing without the ability to share a string buffer by name, for instance.
kingmanaz 12y ago
>Part of my reason for being so hellbent upon proliferating tänzer is to improve the state of affairs for Tcl's perception by the wider community. It's a beautiful language, and a well-considered ecosystem. After being impressed by the "GopherJS" golang to js transpiler, I would love to see a corresponding Tcl/Tk to js transpiler, particularly one with Tk supported as transparently as possible in a browser canvas (or whatever). Greater than 90% of the GUI utilities I write can be handled using Tk's stock widgets. The ability quickly mash together a Tk interface in Tcl/Tk and compile it to js would be a productivity multiplier. It's almost 2015 and front-ends are still a bear to write and maintain and keeping up with the js framework fads is exhausting. GUI development can and should be as easy as Tk made it ~20 years ago.
- xantronix 12y ago
  Check out what this suave devil cranked out. He's got a JimTcl version in the making, too! https://github.com/aidanhs/emtcl https://github.com/aidanhs/emtcl Drop in on #Tcl on freenode and say hello!

by mst 12y ago

forkandwait 12y ago

Tcl is my favorite scripting language for these five reasons: + It combines macro ish text substitution with really, really, really good scoping and loop constructs. + A built in event handler is awesome. + Tk widgets look just fine for the one off GUI that routinizes a single repetitive task. + (Surprisingly) I almost never need float math in a script, one of the things it's not good at. + Tcl doesn't try to provide what should be done in C anyway (Python, Perl, Ruby I'm looking at you....)

a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
> good scoping Wait, you like the upvar stuff?
- forkandwait 12y ago
  Yes, because you rarely need upvar, but when you do, only tcl has it. Also, i know of no other language with macro like substitution along with real local variables.
- xantronix 12y ago
  It's astounding the crap [upvar] lets you get away with, ESPECIALLY making your own loop constructs. I'd be boned without it for doing request parsing without the ability to share a string buffer by name, for instance.

kingmanaz 12y ago

>Part of my reason for being so hellbent upon proliferating tänzer is to improve the state of affairs for Tcl's perception by the wider community. It's a beautiful language, and a well-considered ecosystem. After being impressed by the "GopherJS" golang to js transpiler, I would love to see a corresponding Tcl/Tk to js transpiler, particularly one with Tk supported as transparently as possible in a browser canvas (or whatever). Greater than 90% of the GUI utilities I write can be handled using Tk's stock widgets. The ability quickly mash together a Tk interface in Tcl/Tk and compile it to js would be a productivity multiplier. It's almost 2015 and front-ends are still a bear to write and maintain and keeping up with the js framework fads is exhausting. GUI development can and should be as easy as Tk made it ~20 years ago.

xantronix 12y ago
Check out what this suave devil cranked out. He's got a JimTcl version in the making, too! https://github.com/aidanhs/emtcl https://github.com/aidanhs/emtcl Drop in on #Tcl on freenode and say hello!