Perhaps the hope with J was that symbols could create a grammar for concepts. In maths we use intuition to define an integral as a certain kind of summation, a

Perhaps the hope with J was that symbols could create a grammar for concepts. In maths we use intuition to define an integral as a certain kind of summation, a progressive difference as a certain kind of derivative, and so on. I was thinking that perhaps J symbols could create some form of grammar that suggest new concepts from primitive ones. But the language for me don't provide me with that kind of thinking and at the end is simply a way of writing code that is cryptic and difficult to understand. The idea of using a language with automatic vectorization is orthogonal to the syntax of J. Haskell is different, the concepts of monad, category and so on allow you to obtain a higher order view of your ideas, to frame them in a different concept, that is experience that expand your concept of programming, I don't experiment that feeling with J, I paid the price to learn the vocabulary and grammar, but I don't think the language is worth the effort.